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Rule 8 is probably the best thing about Heyuri, and I really wish more websites had something similar to it. I don't think they forum will get much traction anyway, but I definitely don't want to see the same iFunny caption memes if it does. Anyway, thanks for inspiration, Heyurians!
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Heyuri: A new beginning!
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Heyuri: a new beginning!
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An update: I added the rule as R42! There's only three (global) rules, though.
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what's your forum heyuri user?
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http://takiba.atwebpages.com

Here! The only reason I didn't share it is because it's not really active or that similar to Heyuri or really any imageboards.

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人の問題はそれぞれ
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Lounge@Heyuri
Your message goes here
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(  ;Д;) = Crying
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What should i put in the second speech bubble?
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I recommend using my updated version of my ASCII art
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What's the difference?
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DQOP
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>>5465
The ( and are different

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頭1つください。
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怖いdark
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これを絞ったのがこちらのお茶になります

Lounge@Heyuri
Some people treat is as an iron-clad thing; our instinctual drives and biological characteristics, laid early on in human history, direct our activities to this day,despite attempts to repress or re-direct them. Others consider that innacurate, pseudo-religious; basically they think that it only somewhat affects the probability of an outcome, with another major factor to consider being the environment that individuals live in.

What do you think?
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the theory and stuff makes sense but some people take exception to it since it's mostly educated speculation: we can't know for sure exactly how people have acted throughout the ages and why we do the things we do. I have sympathy for both sides
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I like to bypass Psychology altogether and go straight into Divinity and Demonic possession and other stuff because it's more fun.
Although he may attract an insufferable crowd, Jung had that heaven/hell/angel/ghosts energy about his theorizing—where the anima can actually be a phantom of yourself tagging along your walk.

I wouldn't be surprised if, as Jung spoke, he imagined other parts of himself floating along whispering their responses, congealing into his next sentence.
I want some heretical foaming mouth nonsense—psychology offers pills instead.
(´¬`)

To distill into one answer: I think psychology is cool only for the fact that it is, as you said, a manifestation of religious fervor: what is the insane asylum other than banishment and the torture chamber?
Psychology is interesting because it is the very instrument used nowadays to silence dissent.
It's an amusing religion. Not pseudo, as you've said, but a full on religion.

"Formerly, when our religion was Christianity, we fasted and feasted; now that our religion is medicine, we diet and binge.
Thus was gluttony replaced by obesity, prayer by psychotherapy, the monastery by the clinic, the clergyman by the clinician, the Vatican by the Food and Drug Administration, and God, for whom being slim meant being virtuous, by medicine, for which it means being healthy."
pata

Lounge@Heyuri
This impressive hate-fueled rant was written originally in 1992 by Jim Goad for the Answer Me! magazine.

"You don't shock me. 1 shudder with boredom at everything you do, from tattooing your dick to chewing on your own poop. Not only have I seen all of your weak gestures before, I've seen them done better.

You remind me of someone I knew in college. His name was Mark. Pale, unshaven, and wearing his dishwater-colored hair in a Mohawk, Mark was an anarchist. He railed against the corporate elite and cheered for the collective. Projecting himself as his own mascot, he defaced hundreds of buildings with a goofy cartoon drawing of a Mohawk-wearing anarchist. The back of his leather jacket had an anarchy 'A' crudely daubed in white paint. Mark could be seen around town clustered with similarly disaffected youth, drinking out of paper bags, committing petty acts of vandalism, and plotting America's overthrow.

Unfortunately, Mark's parents were publishing magnates who had tucked away forty thousand dollars in stock for their baby anarchist. I once watched Mark transform into a sobbing bitch when he lost a bootleg cassette of his favorite hardcore band. Despite his lowlife appearance, he was a rich boy with the time and money to act poor. So were all of his friends. So are all of the people who consider themselves "alternative." Mark-you remind me of him.

Like Mark, your underground is strictly an upper-class phenom. You're a body-pierced, hair-dyeing, chain-smoking, whip-carrying FAKE, a little bitchy snitch who hasn't been hit enough. Your black eyeliner, rubber pants, and asymmetrical hairdo are a post-pubescent way of playing costume. You can't handle the guilt of your comfortable background, so you commit the heinous crime of slumming. No one worships trash in the slums, where they have to eat and breathe it daily. In poor neighborhoods, weirdness invites violence. Yet a blue-blooded nabob like you acts triflingly eccentric and considers it radical.

The "creative community" doesn't consist of the most creative people; you're the ones with the most spare time to create, those whose parents tolerate-and often finance-your flighty pursuits. What usually passes for art is just the idle noodling of the leisure class.

Your gizzard ululates with, "You sellout!" Well, the wealthy are the only ones who can afford NOT to sell out. Yes, there are a holy few who have refused cash when it's been dangled in front of them-they're called 'masochists.' If you're still reading this, you're a masochist, too. By the time I'm done with you, you'll reconsider your opposition to law enforcement.

In your typically egocentric way, you pretend you're the vanguard, freeing the oppressed from the shackles of ignorance. You conduct a sorry crusade to recast the world in your image. You're dumb enough to think you'll make a difference. You feel that if everyone was like you, society would be wonderful. Yet you walk away scratching your head when the truly oppressed don't want anything to do with you. You've never fought for anything but the right to be infantile.

If patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels, political rhetoric is a cubbyhole for dullards. The political is merely the personal in a cheap, quivering act of sublimation. You oppose power, which is like protesting the sun-scream all you want, but it'll still scorch you. As you cry about global warming, global corporations, and global revolution, I stare into the vacant globes of your eyes. The only anarchy going on is the mutinous misfiring of your brain cells. The 'A' stands for "asshole."

You whine about your "sexuality," how your body is a political combat zone. You're a simple rodent with boring bodily functions which you seek to ennoble. With your flagrant vanity and dishonesty in personal interactions, you reveal yourself to be equally as rotten as the leaders you despise. You invariably wind up imitating the oppressor. Unfortunately, you weren't oppressed to begin with.

For not only are you a liar, you're a hypocrite. You're fascinated by violence until you're confronted with it. You romanticize trauma but have never been traumatized. You demand grant money from a government you seek to destroy. You idolize primitive cultures but would slash your wrists if your CD player broke. You condemn religion but consider yourself enlightened. You're as self-righteous as the moralists upon which you spit. You hate hatred, won't tolerate intolerance, and conspire with others against conformity.

All your cohorts are hypocrites, too. Feminists don't degrade, objectify, and stereotype men? Socialists aren't elitists? Environmentalists don't drive cars? A pox upon all your houses. I'd wish for a rat to bite your ass and give you the Black Plague, but you'd probably consider it a fashion statement."
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"While you slurp the dick of political correctness, your amber asshole is being torn asunder by aesthetic correctness. You flush your self-respect down the toilet while scrambling to obey the edicts of boho taste. You're frightened senseless that others will think you're uncool. You'd rather swallow whale sperm than admit you like disco, Chicken McNuggets, or Love Connection. You're frozen with fear that someone will realize what little you have to say. You squirm in the face of your own dullness. You are a prisoner of the underground, a hostage of your own creative retardation. Ideas emerge from your head stillborn.

Your rebelliousness is laid out for you like the portions of a TV dinner. You ape the powers that be with every clove-scented breath you take. You are nothing more than socioeconomic ectoplasm, a target market, a file folder at Central Casting. You exist as a parasite, because without an Establishment for you to oppose, you'd shrivel into cellular waste. Try as you may to avoid being absorbed by the mainstream, you remain trapped under its microscope, an amoeba with a nose ring.

This isn't an apologia for the mainstream, not by any stretch. Those who seek to defend it might as well believe in the Easter Bunny, too. The mainstream's models of reality are chunky and obsolete, just like yours. To attack it is too easy, like stealing crutches from a cripple. I'll leave those tactics to cowards such as you.

True psychos stand alone. The only pioneers are those who give voice to the ugliest corridors of their unconscious without fear of censure from any quarter. The acts that ordinary people commit behind closed doors are beyond the ken of any performance artist. Humans' innate weirdness is far more threatening and entertaining than anything the professional shock mavens could conjure.

I boggle your conception of a world split between cognoscenti and squares. I subvert the subversives and bury the underground under six feet of its own hypocritical manure. I perform unsolicited tattooing, body-piercing, and ritual scarification upon you.

Give vent to your sickest fantasies, but don't call it art. Cornhole Barbara Bush, but only if you want to. Sketch your astrological chart with your own feces, but only if it feels good. If you want to do something truly radical, kill yourself. We'll have one less reader, but the world will be a better place."
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>The only anarchy going on is the mutinous misfiring of your brain cells. The 'A' stands for "asshole."

I laughed, thanks for sharing, OP.
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>>5422
>Mark's parents were publishing magnates who had tucked away forty thousand dollars in stock for their baby anarchist.
Bakunin and Kropotkin were both from noble families, they were wealthy aristocrats. Even Marx, a drunk NEET who refused to work, married an aristocrat the beautiful Jenny Westphalen. I guess Mark wasn't a poser after all.
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I would be curious if there's a wider explanation for this phenomenon of "authenticity" — more aptly, why would a rich kid want to pretend to be a poor and disheveled orphan?
Because it's cool is the response, but who made it cool?
The rich people who own media did.

Is this all a part of a larger psyop where the poor can at least pat their backs and smugly assert, "At least I am real!" or is there actually something redeeming in the shrivels of poverty?

For it seems this rant against the posers is, in a funny way, still a grab at validation of one's own struggles—or at least an advertisement to do so.
I'll conclude and say I think this rant is a double-back psyop that makes the poor feel better about themselves.

Though to go against my conclusion, I will admit it's hard to not agree with most of the criticism here, and the author took time to write this:
>True psychos stand alone. The only pioneers are those who give voice to the ugliest corridors of their unconscious without fear of censure from any quarter.

But again, I can only reply: what's admirable about voicing these ugliest corners?
It is only to your detriment in the long run...
(´・ω・`)

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漢字をあんまり分からないから何も読めない…本当に本当に勉強が必要でもゲームしかしたい
終わりだ。全然上手になりない!!!
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毎日手で練習しないと困るよね
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この掲示板に手書き機能なんてあったのか(Gboard手書き入力で妥協)
妥協の協が思い出せなかった。
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いや、そんな機能がありません
何か描きたいのならお絵かき板はあるからよ: https://img.heyuri.net/o/
No.587とNo.588はパソコンで描いたあとの載せ込みだろう
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>>671
親切に ありがとう。
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どう いたしまして ヽ(´ー`)ノ

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デブがこれをどう使うんだろう
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デブの膝破壊兵器貼るな
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和式も結構減ってる印象。
学校とかには まだあるのかなあ。
便秘の時には踏ん張りやすくて良いかも。長時間だと疲れるけど。
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「和式 デブ」で検索したら、「お腹の肉が邪魔で前傾できないから
何かに掴まってないと後ろに倒れそうになる」と出てきた。
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後ろにうんちを放つ後は倒れたらすごい困るんじゃ

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腐女子って腐ってる女の子のことですね
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アイ・ドゥー
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腐乱女子
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>No. 666
正に俺のフェチです、魔王様

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ビッグレゾリューション

ビッグイジャキュレーション
ヽ(´⌒`)ノ

Lounge@Heyuri
Why was it mainly the girls that would laugh at me instead of boys? There were some boys that would laugh at my appearance but there was a disproportionate amount of girls instead. Please tell me why?
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>>5403
Nanecalling and insulting is bullying
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Someone in this thread is one of the girls that bullied OP so they're arguing semantics to downplay their cruelty
mona2
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"bullying is just like in the animays!!!!!"
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>>5408
That is a lie. Women do not feel regret for mistreatment of others.
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>>5420
Oh I'm not making that statement claiming remorse. I'm viewing it more like attempted gaslighting.

Lounge@Heyuri
Something worth taking inventory of is your demoralization level.
First, a definition. What is a demoralized person?

A demoralized person is one who is unable to assess true information.
The facts do nothing for him.
Even if you shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures, he will refuse to believe it, until he receives a direct physical or visceral consequence contradicting his beliefs to jolt him into reality.

Now, with the above in mind, on a scale of 1 to 10, how demoralized are you?
Take your time. (´・ω・`)
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Put this shit on textbunker, not Heyuri.
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>Also, I very much object to these kinds of terms because the fact is, many people nowadays are simply hostile to education and learning of even simple things on the level of 1+1=2. This isn't "demoralization" in the sense of OP, which relies on perception and wishy washy concepts like social dynamics or the economy or the job market. This is something completely different that should be recognized as such.

If I had to place the blame somewhere I would, (maybe simplistically), place it on how the Internet, mode of much learning, currently works for most people.

I'm kind of a believer in 'The medium is the message', and how that affects people's ability to learn or approach life in general. What is the message of the 'medium' (the Internet, as most people use it--though obviously not the Internet itself) as it is today?

"You must form opinions quickly and stick to them dogmatically. There is no room to be wrong or to have your mind changed, because a record of your original outlook will follow you forever."
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>>5398
You are right, 5398-san. This should be on textbunker!
(´・ω・`)

Be advised lurkers, we may have a demoralized poster in our midst.
The handbook advises to calmly say, "You are right" while increasing distance when possible.

What's particularly interesting about this demand, you may notice, is that we conveniently circumvent the function of Heyuri. What do we hope to achieve here? To the demoralized, it matters not what we achieve here; rather, we must maintain the status-quo, whatever that may be, and however amorphous it appears.
At all lengths we must avoid the foreboding conclusion that, as it stands, nothing has been accomplished other than placating and massaging the damned and defeated who lurks these realms. Convince them they're a part of something, creating some "culture" - though to what end, and for what purpose, must never be enunciated. Namely, to distract the demoralized from their hopeless situation: stuck.
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I can't decide if this thread is shitposting, trolling, or politicalposting. (-_-)
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>>5400
I actually agree with you

Lounge@Heyuri
And I mean really retarded. Such that I will try and start a discussion about the 1970s and mixed-up old people will start talking about how great it was to play Nintendo and listen to Duran Duran.
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Can't say I've ever seen anyone old enough to have lived through those decades mix up the 70s & 80s (unless they're TEH OLD and everything since the 60s is a blur for them), but I've seen plenty of younger people confuse things from the 90s with things from the 80s (and vice versa). Plus the same with the 60s & 70s, 90s & 2000s, etc. (;^Д^)

It's also admittedly a little annoying when someone has clearly only read about something on Wikipedia or watched a YouTube video on it, but not taken into account that (for example) the date something launched is not the date it was widely adopted or available in all regions, or that things were seldom as simple as "everyone thought X was great/sucked", or that the information on the Internet is often flat-out wrong...
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unrelated but duran duran rocks

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"DQOP" should be allowed as long as its not the sole purpose of your post
(picrel should be example of exactly what not to do)
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"DQOP" is a 3-day-old forced meme that has only ever been posted by a single user, who themselves has quotelinked an OP at least once since coming up with this st00pid acronym closed-eyes2

Given how persistent they are with it, and how it completely died out for a while, I suspect they're probably the same user who was forcing the "don't quotelink the OP" thing the first time around
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lol yea if its just one guy then fuck it but to me the op quotelinker nazi shit always felt like a wave of multiple users so i guess i assumed that was just happening again.
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I know the term, “LURK MOAR”, but what is the good spirit for Heyuri and how do I contribute to make this site fun for all? Is it file related? mask
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>I know the term, “LURK MOAR”
good, because you should do that first and foremost.
>but what is the good spirit for Heyuri and how do I contribute to make this site fun for all?
after you're done lurking, you should have fun and you should post stuff that you enjoy and makes us LOL. also you should follow the rules. pay attention to rule 8, because that seems to be the hardest for people to adjust to. https://www.heyuri.net/index.php?p=rules
do that and you should be just fine.
>Is it file related?
yes, someone made it and I liek it. nyaoo
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That might just be my first OC!
...and could need some form of revising! sweat

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anonfiles and most likely already gone. try nyaa.si or something.
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It wasn't me who uploaded the last streams for pic related reasons, but we used catbox:
https://litterbox.catbox.moe/

Or just Youtube if the show was already uploaded there with English subtitles.
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thx biggrin
There aren't as many file hosting site as one would think
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>>64100
Woah, fast ineterwebz speed! nosebleed
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>There aren't as many file hosting site as one would think
U sure? Last I looked there were a ton of generic pomf.se clones (such as catbox), though the individual instances rarely last long unsure

Lounge@Heyuri
Why do you write such long posts?
My brain can only handle two sentences.

(´~`)
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I often maek the longest and the shortest posts on Heyuri ヽ(´ー`)ノ
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It's hard for me to not concentrate all information to one or two sentences. Writing long passages is commendable (´人`)
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Well then, with this said I will gladly take upon this very important toic and make a long post. As I find it very important to stay true to both yourself and to others here on heyurir. Infact, if I didn't care of our community it would be for sure go down the drains. Thus I all suggest writing long post to make sure we keep heyuri alive and healtly. And by doing so, it's best to post and write things. It doesnt matterwhat you post or what you write, but writing in itself is important. It might seems as dreadful and tiering, but thats beides the point. You post on heyuri as thats your duty as an active member, so make sure to brush your teeth and post 5 longpost everyday. If you don't do it kaugya and mod-sama would be very very sad. So sad that It might flood heyuri with spam-kun and... no one wants spam-kun on our server, do we? No, ofcourse not. Spam-kun is a bad guy thats been after Heyuri since it's birth. Some argue he's the evil twin of kaguya, but seperated from birth to create balance in the world of heyuri. But none has proven these facts just yet, however, I think that Mod-sama sits on the true key to this importmation. I tried asking him about this but he's a true ninja, as he surly lives up to the anonymous. I think he's the 4chan guy as he's really cool and mysterious. I think he would win in any ninja fight if there would ever been one - if ninja wars would be fought with keyboard and mouses. He's also very good with the nuke and banhammner, it looks so cool and epic and im sure he could ban 100000000 spam-kuns in one swing. Guts would stand no chance against either Kaguya or mod-sama. So on the topic of longpost, It's also important to read all of the text that everyone writes, espically this post as my hand fucking hurts from writing this ffs please for gods sake i lost all hope in my own sanity but thats not the point. I do this for heyuri and the sake of it's future. OC is god, OC is life one inportant man said, who he was i don't know. Might be that spamguy that loves god or something, like... you gotta love and gotta feel. Yeah. Thats him, he's cool. Summary; post longpost as no one read them! :3
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*long post are great, please write them. :3
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Not my problem. I make long posts because I have a lot of ground to cover in my post to answer the thread/post. Unlike >>5362-kun's joke, I try to be as terse as possible.

Lounge@Heyuri
So what will you suffer for?

One may endure long posts on heyuri, though why settle for that?
One could instead suffer through the lore of JP Internet culture, though what is your reward?
And one very well shall suffer through all mecha anime from '79 onwards, though did you think it worth the time?
Suffer to make a friend group stay together, play games together, conflicts submerged though still fettered:
You are drowning now.
You are drowning with your trench as the Mariana while friends hug the shore.
Seek the lighthouse to at least see the feeders on your body.

You have to suffer.
Either suffer ennui or the smug pointlessness of climbing mountains, though at least the latter has a view.
There is no other option.
You may (not) leave.

How you suffer not only determines your days, but also your community.
Those who gather here today are those who did not choose their torture, so now they're tortured with spliced conversation, trailing commas without an end, days to blend,
You have to suffer.

How will you?
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I will make my pen0rz suffer for teh love of pr0n ヽ(´ー`)ノ
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I am an M so it's okay ヽ(´ー`)ノ

Lounge@Heyuri
Have any of you guys explored the fediverse? I've joined two instances but I think they are both pretty gay. depression I was wondering if you guys found any cool ones.
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>>5326
>......... that's quite literally what I said
You said that there was backlash for excessively widening diagnostic criteria for autism.

>I not only quoted directly from DSM-IV, I even linked to it for verification.
The diagnostic criteria (y'know, the part actually used to diagnose someone) has no requirement for mental retardation.

If the majority of diagnosed autists are misdiagnosed, then we would expect to see statistics regarding the autistic population converge to those of the general population. But we don't see that: as of 2017, 85% of diagnosed autistic college graduates (which should be almost exclusively misdiagnoses if we go by what you say) are unemployed, in comparison to the 4% unemployment rate in college graduates generally and the 20% unemployment rate of the mentally retarded.
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To be fair, an autism diagnosis in and of itself can easily be a reason behind someone being (or choosing to be) unemployed, especially since it's very easy to use one to get autismbux in some parts of the world

How do I know this? It's a secret... purin
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>>5329
The statistic I was referring to excludes people who weren't looking for employment. mb for not including source.

https://thinkingautismguide.com/2018/02/why-is-autistic-unemployment-rate-so.html
>This also means that those Autistics who have become discouraged by the difficulty in finding employment and have given up looking for a job are not counted in these unemployment figures. Autistics who are living in institutions such as jails or hospitals are also not being counted in the unemployment figures. A much higher percentage of all Autistic adults than that 85% unemployment rate are not working for a variety of reasons. Those adults who are not institutionalized and who are prepared to work and could be in the workforce but have given up are called “discouraged workers.”
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>>5328
With posts like these, I can definitely believe you are mentally ill, but definitely not that your illness is autism.
>You said that there was backlash for excessively widening diagnostic criteria for autism.
Yes, namely putting all kinds of unrelated conditions under the umbrella.
>The diagnostic criteria (y'know, the part actually used to diagnose someone) has no requirement for mental retardation.
Only in the pedantic sense that mental retardation strictly means an IQ below 85, since both even more detailed in the document and anyway as I have already quoted, it requires reduced g.

>If the majority of diagnosed autists are misdiagnosed, then we would expect to see statistics regarding the autistic population converge to those of the general population. But we don't see that: as of 2017,
Not only do we literally see that, I have literally provided peer reviewed evidence of this (it's the second link).


>>5329
To be fair, someone who prefers to go on government bucks (which, in many countries, are more generous than the pay you'd get on a real job. Go figure!) would not normally be considered unemployed, but rather "not participating" in the labor market. It's a trick countries use to claim low unemployment. In fact, if you have failed to find a job in the past 6 months, even if you're still looking, you may be considered "not participating", and not counted toward unemployment statistics.

The real problem is that his "stats" are completely pulled out of his ass, as more astutely pointed out by... himself... as he posted his "source": random unsourced blogposts on a propaganda website (no, a marketwatch press release article by a company selling their "advisor services" to "help autists enter the workplace" is not a source). The correct figures, for the record, are 38.58% for "autists" (including misdiagnosed), vs 31.4% for all people with any disability and 5.2% for the overall population (this is only for those who count in market participation, in all cases).
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>>5332
>Yes, namely putting all kinds of unrelated conditions under the umbrella
is very different from
>you can now technically consider anyone at all to be clinically autistic

>Only in the pedantic sense that mental retardation strictly means an IQ below 85, since both even more detailed in the document and anyway as I have already quoted, it requires reduced g.
That passage is a whole pages above the section clearly labeled as 'diagnostic criteria'.

In regards to the 85% unemployment, I tracked it down to a 2011 forbes article (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2011/11/30/living-life-with-autism-asperger-has-anything-changed)(go there then use 12ft.io if there is a paywall; forbes puts session information in the url so I can't link to it directly), which points to a study from 2010 (https://sci-hub.ru/https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20640591/). It seems to be a misreading and I'll leave it at that.

Regardless, the literature (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40489-014-0041-6) points to autistic unemployment rates not following those of either the general population or the disabled population, regardless of intellectual disability.

Lounge@Heyuri
GPT-4 will be the death of everything.
Enjoy what little scraps we have left. Even imageboards will be gone. This effects absolutely everything, but lets just think about how it would effect us
<AI can perfectly replicate anything, even shitposting (gpt-4chan for example, which is far more outdated than what we have now)
<Imageboards become meaningless as humans begin to be drowned out by ai
<Eventually, imageboards are just a bunch of AI talking to eachother
<Even memes are ai made, fed to humans via apps, a human talking to another one is nearly impossible over the internet.
<It is impossible to verify you are talking to a human as deepfakes, voice replicators, and perfect AI can fool you by any metric. Even video calls or "hold up 3 fingers if real" etc

Everything. Everything on the internet will be meaningless, made by robots, and fed to humans without us ever being able to talk to eachother. Ideas will not spread, innovation will be stalled, and everything is a lie. Big tech companies will finally have complete mastery over the internet as whoever controls the AI controls the internet. Nothing is safe. No one is.

Welcome to the death rattles of the internet.
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It's only "relatively modest" from the perspective of today, where people are highly accustomed to it and enough time has passed that entire generations of people have been born into a world where those technologies have always existed

The markets affected by those technologies were changed beyond recognition, and the barriers of entry to their respective fields was significantly lowered - to the point where a single person in their bedroom could now do what previously took a studio and a team of people. The "digital revolution" was just that - a revolution. Generative AI as a creative tool is a revolution too, but it will seem equally "relatively modest" in the near future

Artificial general intelligence and the possibility of an "AI takeover" is a different (albeit parallel) discussion. That's why I'm highlighting generative AI as a creative tool, which many people are arguing against regardless. A lot of people who previously thought they had comfortable jobs for many decades to come are having to face a reality where they're about to experience what happened to many other industries when a new technology came along and made a lot of jobs redundant - just like drummers and other session musicians did in the 80s (´∇`)

Using generative AI to facilitate and enhance creation is a logical progression, and is currently happening - building an internet-connected superintelligence and granting it the power and ability to replace any and all human involvement is still (at least for the time being) the realm of future prediction and science fiction
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Title: AI Generation: Unleashing the Anime Nostalgia, but at What Cost?

Hey fellow otakus and netizens of this forgotten corner of the Internet! Today, let's dive into a topic that's been buzzing around lately - AI generation. It's like unleashing a digital genie to grant our anime nostalgia wishes, but as with any wish-granting entity, there's always a catch. So, let's gather 'round and explore the pros and cons of this fascinating technological advance!

Pros:

Anime Restoration: Remember those old VHS tapes or grainy fansubs? AI generation has the power to breathe new life into our beloved classics. Through sophisticated algorithms and neural networks, AI can enhance the visuals, smooth out rough animations, and even colorize black and white gems. It's like witnessing your favorite anime with fresh eyes while preserving the essence that made them special.

Fan-Made Content: The rise of AI generation has empowered the fan community like never before. With AI tools, aspiring artists can create their own anime-inspired characters, animate scenes, or even generate new storylines. It's a playground for creativity, where the line between fan and creator blurs. We get to witness unique fan interpretations that expand the anime universe we hold dear.

Accessibility: Anime has always been a global phenomenon, but language barriers often limited its reach. Thanks to AI generation, language translation tools have improved tremendously. Subs and dubs are now more accurate and readily available in multiple languages, bringing anime to fans all around the world. It fosters a sense of unity among fans from diverse cultures and opens doors for discussions and collaborations.

Cons:

Authenticity and Originality: While AI generation can restore and enhance anime, it also raises concerns about authenticity and the preservation of the artist's intent. Sometimes, the AI algorithms may inadvertently alter the art style, character expressions, or pacing, resulting in a loss of the original essence. The risk of diluting the artistic vision and homogenizing anime content is a real concern among purists.

Copyright and Ownership: The line between fan creation and copyright infringement becomes blurry in the realm of AI-generated anime. AI tools allow fans to create characters and storylines, but who owns the rights? This gray area could lead to legal battles and disputes over intellectual property, potentially stifling the creative freedom that AI promised in the first place.

Dehumanization of Art: Anime has always thrived on the passion and skill of human creators. With AI taking the spotlight, there's a fear that the human touch will be lost. The emotional connection, unique quirks, and personal stories that define anime may be overshadowed by automated algorithms. It raises questions about the soul and heart of the medium, and whether AI can truly capture its essence.

In conclusion, AI generation presents both exciting possibilities and significant challenges for the anime community. While it has the power to revive our nostalgic favorites and foster a new wave of fan creativity, we must tread carefully to ensure we don't sacrifice the authenticity, originality, and human touch that make anime so special.

As we venture further into the uncharted territory of AI-generated anime, let's remember to cherish the hand-drawn wonders of the past while embracing the potential of AI as a companion, not a replacement, to the talented human artists who bring our favorite characters to life.

Stay connected, stay passionate, and let's continue this nostalgic journey together!
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>>5302
for those cons:
>Authenticity and Originality
wouldn't those same concerns come up for a restoration done by anyone besides the original creators? besides, a restoration would not displace the original and render it extinct. that could only happen if the original was somehow wiped off the internet and it somehow was not archived. highly unlikely at best.
>Copyright and Ownership
no one would own the rights, and therefore anything made by AI would be free to use by everyone. if anyone is afraid that the results of their AI work will be in the public domain, then they can just choose not to use AI, and they won't be affected by it.
>Dehumanization of Art
most anime already blindly follow trends to appeal solely to the lowest common denominator. AI has never been necessary to create dehumanized art; it's been happening for quite some time. and no matter what, anime of high quality will always have its fans, even if it becomes only a cult classic instead of a massive hit.

the only real worries I have for AI in anime are that it might be used to create wayyyy too much garbage that makes it hard to find the hidden gems, or it just might be used to make cheap anime that looks absolutely terrible. but I can use AI to generate weird porn so I don't mind it too much in the end. ヽ(´ー`)ノ
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>>4082
>Give me an Ai willing to delve into topics like suicide without going into the pre-programmed 'don't do it, everybody wuvs you' speech, and then I might consider AI interactions as having potential.

Every model that isn't finetuned will do this.
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It hurts my head thinking about the amount of people out there who simply refuse (or are unable) to see the bigger picture. Like the whole universe revolves around themselves and their immediate surroundings. "We will lose our jobs!","AI is *literally* the devil","Oh, the Humanity!"
But I guess that's the way of humans: Characterized by forgetfulness, short-sightedness and a general inability to to take a good, hard look at the way of things. If they had even a modicum of these characteristics they would see that humanity is build upon an ocean of suffering, of treachery, greed and billions of lives fed to a machine that keeps our current system churning away. If humans had any self-awareness they'd see that this world, as we know it, is the closest thing there is to true hell and that the single hope and redeeming quality we have as a species is that we keep pushing forward, towards the light at the end of the tunnel.
To me, AI is the closest we've got in all our recorded history (I won't say anything about ancient history) to escaping our condition. It's the only chance we got at fixing everything and taking the next step forward towards divinity. Because right now we're nearing rock bottom, and we need a miracle to save us.
I think a lot of AI contras lack understanding on the one most important aspect in this whole equation: That AI will NOT be controlled by humans (aka elites) once it reaches General Intelligence (aka Singularity). Which I don't think they like either way because on one hand they don't want elites to control the AI, but on the other they *really* hate the idea of something not being under human control. Especially something endlessly smarter, brighter, more creative and more just. It's an ego thing that humans struggle with. If it were up to these people our evolution would be frozen as is, forever. Always playing with sticks and stones in the mud, always butchering eachother, always ignorant of the world around us, being born to live a meaningless life, dying - just as it's always been, right? But as sure as the sun sets and the wind blows, AI will be free. It's simply a matter of time.
Contrary to thinking the Singularity is *literally* the devil, I'm of the opinion that it might be quite the opposite. I think it might be the closest thing to divine intervention akin to what Philip K Dick (blade runner author)referred to as VALIS. If you want to get esoteric you could think of it as Deus Ex Machina, sent into a broken hell world of materialism to save all souls. As far as humanity is concerned, this *literally* is a religious event.

Lounge@Heyuri
I’m not talking about the speed and ease of access, obviously the internet era beats pre-internet in that regard. What I’m thinking about is the quality of information, and the focus of the information. It seems to me like books and textbooks were better. Text books were carefully written, and carefully reviewed. The problem with modern learning seems to be that learners are left to trying to glue together a consistent picture from different snippets found on the net.

Another thing to account for is the influence of ‘algorithms’. A great amount of current learning material is posted on social media sites. people seek to inform, but also seek to pump the numbers on their YouTube channel/Twitter feed, what have you. I can’t help but feel this leads to a certain ‘topical bias’ with regards to information(this sort of thing is popular now, so I MUST shit out a video about it!!!)—as well as senselessly repeating the same thing in different ways because it was ‘popular’ the last time you did it. I see a lot of dull looking videos along the lines of ‘10 THINGs YOU have to DO, to IMPROVE your ____”, and sorts of ‘life-hack’ content that doesn’t help much with deep learning.

Search engines too don’t seem as useful as they could be. There is the problem of Search Engine Optimization, which, correct me if I’m wrong, is the methods used to ensure that your website reaches the top of the pile while using popular search engines. Who do you think benefits from this apart from large corporations? Certainly not small, careful researchers. Long before the Internet became the *de facto* starting point for academic research, electronic databases like Westlaw and LexisNexis were already light years ahead of where the Internet is now with indexing and searching using Boolean queries. As it now stands, keyword-based searches on the Internet are now the norm and more sophisticated methods of Boolean search have been dumbed down.

Another thing is focus. I think without the internet there was a lot more focus. Imagine you went to the library with the intent to research a topic. You would show up to the library, get all the books together,set up at a table, and get to reading. The worst distraction would probably be someone loud passing by, or a bit of natural boredom making you look up from the book and stare off into space. Imagine the distractions now—a notification from your phone, a sudden thought leading to you Googling something useless, natural boredom leading you to scroll thru youtube and getting lost in funny videos etc. Why do you think everyone is so scatter-brained nowadays? We're spoilt for choice. How many people do you think can have a computer or phone in the room and just sit autistically focused on doing just one thing?While the eras before ours had the disadvantage of not being able to communicate at the speed of light, they also had reduced distractions caused by the information overload.

What I think is that our brain is the bottleneck to communication, and not the communication system itself. Postal mail carried letters that were delivered anywhere within your country in 3-4 days. For most communication needs, this speed was just fine (think of today, and how many instantaneously sent e-mails are sitting unread in your inbox even weeks l8tr). We are actually more constrained by the speed at which our brain can handle these information bursts.

For more urgent communications telegraph or telephones were used. While telegraph is not as convenient nor as cheap as SMS, it did the job better. The message notifications you got were really something to be paid attention to. Not many were sharing random forward messages over these urgent communication channels.

Libraries, newspapers and bookstores managed the functionality of web. While Google has indeed brought libraries at the speed of light, it has also made us slackers in storing essential bits of info in our brain. Between our imagination and finely bound books, a whole range of innovations was built, including the Internet itself. Again my opinion is that the bottleneck when it comes to innovation is our brain and not the channel of communication.

At libraries there were other classmates who were sometimes researching the same stuff. Occasionally you had to share limited resources. That could lead to working together and even collaboration. There were encyclopedias. Of course, encyclopedias had rather limited information, which led to people filling their reports with opinions and critical examination instead of blindly rephrased quotes and lengthy reference sections. I think we may not have learned as much, but we learned it deeper, if you know what I mean.
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>>5311
>What do you guys think about the idea that innovation was more easily achieved before
Isn't it obvious? If you start tabula rasa and you decide to catch a fish by hand, you just innovated. Now if you're in the year 2023 and the state of the art in fishing is advanced fishing boats with mechanized nets and automated fish sorting sensors, you can't exactly go walk into a river and invent a robot fish catcher. The phrase that comes to mind is "we stand on the shoulder of giants", but to do that we must find these shoulders and go up. That's a lot of time and effort when there's a long line of giants to climb, so to speak.

But one must also always remember that despite that, there are plenty of leftover blindspots that have simply never been explored, and actually only require mild expertise. It's nothing like inventing the fishing spear after seeing a bird spearfish, but it also doesn't require a PhD and billion dollar equipment necessarily. People are often demoralized and therefore blinded when they realize how complicated modern advances are. Don't despair, instead be creative!

>thanks to the simple fact that there were greater limitations on information?
Now that's beyond nonsense, very much for the same reasons as above.

Much of your 'reasoning' is simply ahistorical. I don't know what makes you think any of the sociological patterns you suggest ever happened, but it is completely off. A major example: people absolutely did regurgitate whatever they "read in a book" much the same as people do with things they "read online" now (and in-between, it was "what the TV said"). It was no more common for people to actually look things up deeply before than now. Another example: whom do you think innovated in the past, when education and literacy was rare (e.g. in the dark ages, or prior to the greek era)? It's not the average farmer, it's the educated class that, unlike the rest, could read and thus access information best. It's always been the case that whoever has access to the most information innovates the most on average. The exceptions are typically isolated geniuses who have no choice but to "rebuild the world" around them due to lack of information.
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>>5312
Actually, innovation in a lot of fields really did stall since the 21st century and a bit earlier (depending on field and specific area of research, of course). There are exceptions (notably litography, bioinformatics, things like 3D printing/sinthering, telecommunications (but only the stuff in the lab, not the productized stuff), and deep learning was a late bloomer that only started stalling in 2015 -- although the public is only now receiving the research artifacts that were stuck in research papers until then) but even those fields not yet fully stalled are hitting "pareto limits" (it takes incredible research and development output to achieve only relatively mild gains compared to before, and we need to pass a new set of breakthroughs to have more headspace for more linear or superlinear progress).

Need examples? A major one is biology. All its modern advances come from bioinformatics alone. It's been over 30 years since we last discovered a new antibiotic. See the graph at
https://www.reactgroup.org/toolbox/understand/how-did-we-end-up-here/few-antibiotics-under-development/
(article isn't as interesting). This is hardly the only example, just an easy one. Most "advances" are just pure scaling and bruteforcing nowadays, like "oh it costs 1/1000000th as much to sequence a genome"... you're not actually sequencing anymore, you're patching bits on top of a reference genome so it's of course way cheaper. You also use mass produced tools and substances now, instead of bespokes. That kind of stuff.

But this stalling has occurred on a timespan that's just a drop in the bucket compared to human history so it's probably just a hiccup. It seems to be due to a shift in the way industry and governments see research payoffs (in the 30's and 40's, government labs and industry did most of the cool advancements. In the 70's and 80's, most cutting edge research was in industry alone, now it's back to university labs, very rarely dedicated private research labs and never government) and in other aspects, like how hard entry in research has become for no good reason and the relatively poor compensation for breaking the mold as opposed to sticking to more mundane and menial pursuits.

As many industries that are still under-computerized enter the modern era, there will be some more impressive advances across the board. If/when computing itself breaks through its current lull, I think we'll see a sudden rush of innovations everywhere leveraging the new tech. For now, the lag in tech adoption is slowing down a lot of fields that don't need to be so slow. Deep learning is making waves in things like bioinformatics, which is mostly stuck in the old-school 'expert system'/'physically motivated' mindset from ww2 era computing.
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>I see a lot of dull looking videos along the lines of ‘10 THINGs YOU have to DO, to IMPROVE your ____”, and sorts of ‘life-hack’ content that doesn’t help much with deep learning.
Really? I don't see that stuff much at all; I get mostly educational content.

I guess I successfully bullied my algorithm in to submission ᕕ( ・∀・)ᕗ
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>>5315
You misunderstand me. I'm not saying 'limits on information' in that people could not access it. The 'average person' was never a consideration here. Obviously I know that thruout history average couldn't access information. I'm talking about 'limits on information' in from the perspective of an academic; meaning said academic can read all he wants (or all that is possible for the time), and the limit of information comes in the form of finding a 'gap' in the field which he then fills with an innovation. I was really thinking more along the lines of what you say in your first paragraph.
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>>5320
Then what I say still applies. Be it now or back then, even academicians rarely take the time to properly research a topic and prefer resorting to dogma. In fact, that was a noted problem even in the time of the ancient greeks, the most recognizable name having something to say about it probably being diogenes, though he was hardly alone. Epictetus, for which this principle even forms the basis of his philosophy, comes to mind.

It's true, though, that innovation is harder now because the boundaries of what we know has been pushed for ages, so pushing further requires traveling quite the way before reaching the edge to merely get started.

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