Has anyone here every used a *BSD OS for daily driving or a server?Marked for deletion (Old)
i use openbsd as both desktop and server for two years now, very stable experience desu. what do you want to know
>>143128do you wine gaems?
>>143129noep, no linux binaries support (it's considered a feature). there's a lot of emulators from ports tho, imo most users play old vidya. i also mostly play on a 2000 xp laptop and a cfw'ed ps3 and wii.i think freebsd can run teh wine
yes macOS
>>143128when you describe it as "stable" do you mean stuff like the scripts you wrote in 2010 still work to this day or something else? I've always run Debian based Linux so I've never really run into a lot of the problems like shit constantly crashing that people mention alot with systems like Gentoo and Arch
>>143147uhh i just like it having a base + kernel to me arch was painful to set up and felt really hacky and like i never understood how the system works
is arch + dwm still a good option for lightweight linux setup?
>>143158DWM is a joke now, though to be honest, any desktop environment on Linux that isn't KDE is a massive joke right now so that isn't particularly DWM's fault
>>143166why? what'd they do to it?
eyem running freebsd (currently)
>>143166xfce is not a joke
>>143166hows so? i use it daily and i've never had any issues
>>143171Xfce doesn't even support Wayland
>>143169do you have any recs on programs to type in kanji on bsd
I used NetBSD for a few months but it was very crashy. My original plan was actually to help develop NetBSD because I have strongly disliked developments in Linux in over 15 years and was looking to use something more sensible. Unfortunately the devbase is very 'exclusive' in an ivory tower way and it's impossible to even get pointers to where one can start digging on this system or that driver, etc. or even what the current things people are working on are.I considered FreeBSD but there were a lot of political nonsense happening in that world at the time. I also evaluated OpenBSD and found it to not only be very slow and missing critical features, but also to be amazingly insecure because theo the rat is quite the daft man.So I'm back in linux-land being angry at computers all day.
>>143172It's not issues that you have to look for, for the most part it's very stable and reliable... It's simply a complete lack of modern features (this problem plagues everything that isn't KDE/GNOME) - one of the biggest problems right now is that KDE (and soon GNOME) is literally the only distro doing HDR metadata support, the ONLY ones! Literally any sort of reliable playback, editing, content mastering, and HDR FX in 3D is near impossible without KDE, that is an entire workflow missing from Linux that you can get back with KDE..Furthermore, "Because basic features and customisations should not be extensions", there's a reason every Linux app coming out is Plasma/Qt these days, their approach to UI design is the most mature, and they're responsible for things like Krita, which are some of the best open-source software anywhere.Yez, I knowz that ur funny little desktop tiling window managers are very aesthetiqué and old-fashioned aswell as being very lightweight on your 2011 Radeon HD, but it's hard to keep vouching for Mate/XFCE/DWM whatever 293748 desktop managers there are when using them limits the things you can do Vs. any off-the-shelf macOS or Winrardoez computer. KDE+Wayland+Gamescope is the true technologically progressed gentleman's Linux setup.
>>143166Openbox and fluxbox still exist and I disagree vehemently that KDE is not a joke, too.
>>143178I just called KDE a distro, derp
>>143178Wayland is total cancer and it's now older than X11 in the days they claimed that X11 needed a rewrite/replacement for being too old despite not being even remotely near feature-parity yet.KDE is a buggy mess and most KDE programs, while interesting in theory, don't even startup without krashing. And why do you care about composition if you care about a working environment for professional workflows instead of some bullshit gaymer ricer shit?I mean more power to you at any rate but I don't see how that's related to anything.
>>143181You're stuck in 2015, aren't you?That's fine, oji-san, you can keep playing with your mouldy eks-elevens and ugly tiling window managers Just a question though, can you use multiple monitors on your desktop without turning off the compositor? And can those multiple monitors have different refresh rates without X.org pooping its pants?
>do you have any recs on programs to type in kanji on bsdi just type japanese text/kanji in emacs using its jp input method then copy & paste it ヽ(´ー｀)ノ
>>143178dear lord i think i had a brain-fart when i read (misread, actually) your previous post, (i was trying to say "i use xfce daily and i have no problems), maybe you too confused me for someone else judging by the way you ended your postI dont know anything about hdr so i cant comment on that though and for the what i do xfce is good enoughhot kiki sex
>>143182Always have been able to, but keep lapping up propaganda about the supposed features of wayland (that it doesn't have without causing every program to krash). You still rely on xwayland to be able to run your programs. I laugh at you, child!
>>143177What would you have been interested in developing for these BSD systems?
>>143188that's a nice idea actually so that i avoid running daemons and shiet
>>143193Drivers for some of the hardware I have that wasn't fully supported for a start. Then work on wifi and acpi support. I also had plans to play with memory management, kernel-reserved memoryspace, kernel-level rescue programs, etc. (to provide facilities allowing better responsiveness under load and the ability to rescue a system that is otherwise swapping like crazy or otherwise barely able to even process keyboard events).
>>143192"You still rely on xwayland to be able to run your programs." I have never used it! besides for maybe Minecraft, but I can just use GLFW to go around that, and I no longer need Xwayland.
>>143189I was simply saying that DWM has no issues, because you said "how so?", my problem with these managers is that they're just too old for modern computing, is all, I think they're reliable, without any clear "issues" with their inherent design.
>>143203Goes for XFCE too!
>>143203So what? Let's make everything shit and broken because old means bad? You're the reason modern computing is so shitty.
>>143208Nothing is broken, things *used* to be broken, sure, that was 10 years ago, though. And all good technology will be unrefined at first.These days, there's entire hardware releases like the Steam Deck that don't even attempt to make use of X.org anything when running games, there's entire distros and desktop environments that no longer support X11, noone remotely aware of the current state of display technology and 3D work/gaming development would even entertain the notion of X11 being anything more than a children's toy at this point.Measuring the modern day by the standards of 10 years ago is common luddite-speak, I want no part of it!
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>>143210The x11-free distros are so broken that the #1 question users ask is literally 'how do I install x11 instead'. Most games do not work with wayland in 2025, with severe rendering bugs like unplayably low framerates or constant white flashes in-between frames. Even though you are too clueless about technology to know this, you rely extensively on xwayland every day, but that's just a hack. It's just like in the first days of KDE4. It was pushed everywhere, KDE3.5 was deprecated, very soon it stopped being in repos. Yet KDE4 was so buggy it couldn't function for more than 15 minutes without krashing until 4.13 or so if I remember well, definitely well within the 10+ range. Sadly, the KDE devs never learned their lesson with this fiasco, and only the sheer incompetence of the gnome retards gave them even a smidgen of a userbase. Now there isn't a single working DE for linux, with xfce probably the only, sad excuse for an option. For over 13 years they've had open bugs about the DE randomly dying once every ~5 days of uptime but that's never getting fixed either despite various suggested mechanisms for this bug. Still, it's the only realistic DE option today for productive, non-ricer use.It's been a common trend in linux history to deprecate stuff and force users to use broken garbage. You seem to be a big fan of that so have at it. But I don't understand why it's too much to ask that you don't drag the rest of the world down with you.
>>143178ok so basically there's nothing actually wrong with dwm you just don't understand why people use tiling window managers instead of desktop environments. got it.
>>143217Ah, the well-known "broken" distros like RHEL and EndeavourOS, and soon, Fedora, Debian, Slackware, etc..."constant white flashes in-between frames." Seems to me you're confusing something like VRR backlight flicker with some non-existent inherent Wayland problem, lol.Oh, wait, does X11 even support VRR? Not without manually enabling it in Xrandr, and you're still gonna get tearing in multi-monitor mode, lolz.
>>143243Whatever you can do on a tiling window manager I can do better on a desktop environment
>>143211TempleOS is too lowM$-DOS is too high
>>143246whatever you can do on a desktop environment i can do better on the command line if you actually learned how to properly use the command line you'd have no need for a desktop environment which just gets in the way
>>143245Why do you think everyone moved away from centos and rhel to go to rocky instead?It's OK if you only use tech to "look cool" instead of to do something productive or entertain yourself. It's a free world. But why waste time and effort commenting on things you'll never understand?
>>143568The point is that you can neither entertain yourself or do productive things as well when you're on broken garbage like X.org.Also, who the fuck moved away from RHEL? have you looked at any market share slide from the past 5 years?
my crazy neighbor gave me an old dell laptop with 2gb of ram on it, im gonna buy a charger and if it comes on, install openbsd on the bitch to bring it back to life