Lately (and by lately I mean for the past half a year), the mods have gone wayyy over board with their interpretation of rule 8.When the rule was created, it was meant to keep out the stifling, creativity-destroying repetitive images and posts that made alot of other imageboards boring. It banned alot of 4chan style ragebait, pepe posts, and certain imageboard lingo that tends to be overused to the point of exhaustion. Thats it. A simple rule to help keep Heyuri a little unique and clean.But now, rule 8 is a monolothic word that is used to delete pretty much anything that doesn't fit in the microspecific larp that the mods expect us to engage in to use the site. Here are some of the things that I have seen people get banned for under rule 8:1. Posting a gif or an image that doesn't actually violate any of the things mentioned in rule 8, but just happens to be somewhat new2. Quoting something that wasn't posted (Use of the green arrow is now supposed to be EXCLUSIVELY used to quote a post you are replying to, NO. OTHERS. ALLOWED.)3. Use of a word that came into existance after the early 2000s. Not even popular slang just words that are new and the mods dont like.4. Any sort of opinion that the mods think didnt exist in the 2000s. For example, not being a pedophile, or criticizing/discouraging underage girls from posting nude pictures of themselves. Actually just disagreeing with the mods in general is banned. 5. Wait, why am I saying "the mods"? Its actually just one guy. Yeah, besides kaguya theres only one real mod and his name is anonwaha. He is basically an admin who deepthroats kaguyas dick hard enough that he gets to do whatever he wants including dox users. (a la looking at my ip, whether im on my phone range or not, and posting publicly "this is such and such user") or "Oh, its you again" or something along the lines of that. He runs the cgi chat and a few other things. 6. I may sound like a serial ban evader or someone with a bone to pick with him, but I have actually been using this site relatively uninterrupted since 2020 and am only banned about as often as anyone else. I am not saying this because I am annoyed i got banned. Okay i am done making bulletin points. Basically rule 8 is way, WAY over applied today. Heyuri had one purpose, and rule 8 has one intention, to limit the monotony of template-style threads/replies which make every imageboard besides this one feel the same. It was not meant to be interpreted as a blanket ban on anything that has a fucking know your meme page.Ironically, because of anonwaha and kaguya's new enforcement of rule 8, heyuri has LOST the exciting, originality it once had, and has become a predictable, boring, poorly moderated discord chatroom with the same types of threads day in and day out. And I am not even going to mention the fact that the staff here are literally encouraging children to post cp of themselves in threads then deleting it later (Im looking at you cosmo).I already know that if anonwaha responds to this, it will be something along the lines of>Well if u dont like how i fucked up the site, then leave! :insert smug kaomoji here:KAGUYA.FIX THIS SHIT. (ﾟ血ﾟ#)
Also, the introduction of the cgi chat is one of the worst things that ever happened to heyuri. No one used the irc, and the discord was only for notifications. the cgi chat is essentially a heyuri discord server, and even semi-regular users like me who aren't in on it feel excluded because the mods develop personal favors with people there and heyuris cultural hub is moved off the boards and onto a random chatroom who's sole discretionary basis is the whims of its ruler, anonwaha.
>looking at you cosmoI've never said I'm proud of what I did, much the opposite actually ( •__•)
>cgi chat is one of the worst things that ever happened to heyuri.>the cgi chat is essentially a heyuri discord serverI've had this exact thought too, it's bothering me.
all I can really say is that I would like for rule 8 to be clearer so that it's easier to determine what should or shouldn't be deleted.sure, all the stuff that's explicitly stated there is cut and dry and easily pruned, but what about other content that has the same spirit as the stuff banned by R8? or what about words/phrases/pictures that are tangentially related to something in the previous categories, but aren't inherent R8 violations in themselves? (several recent threads here are made solely to ask if certain posts under this category are delete-able or not)I don't agree with many of OP's points, but my opinion is that it'd probably be better for users and also easier for janitors (like myself) if rule 8 was expanded or revised for clarity's sake.
>>66294>It banned alot of 4chan style ragebait, pepe posts, and certain imageboard lingo that tends to be overused to the point of exhaustion.You want a b2 that allows 2007-2012ish memes?I sure do. I think the only pepe from then was feelsgoodman and a few snippets of comic.
>>66299In fact, I mostly disagree with OP, but we should make a thread about what >>66295-san said.
>>66302I honestly have to agree with him, it's dumb that a pic of a hamster with big eyes gets deleted but not people telling girls to post their underwear
>>66303First we lose Hamtaro, what next? Ebichu? Is Umaru-Chan gonna be the last hamster standing?
>>66295mason here — do you have an example of how bad CGI is? I’m assuming your talking about the chat rooms, and I haven’t been active on Heyuri for a little while.… (and in advance to other staff: sorry for being inactive! I’ll try coming on more (;´Д`))
You say it's all me (anonwaha), but 1. there are two "real mods" (not including kaguya) who use this capcode, and 2. more often than not I'm the one trying to get the other mods/janitors to be more lenient, explaining how XYZ is not a new thing, etc. You've noted the KYM stuff for example - I largely ignore those kinds of reports bcuz most of the time they're just laughable, and the reporter having such a stick up their ass is often less "in line with site culture" than the thing they're complaining about. I also argued against the whole "don't quotelink OP" thing, and have told other staff not to be so aggressive with deleting "greentext" just because somebody used ">" instead of "-" - just as a few examples. Numerous times I've called out "n00b mods" or said "X didn't deserve to be deleted" on here or in private, so I'm not really sure what to say to you regarding those claims Regarding teh Chat, it was originally set up because somebody wanted to run a TRPG, but that never ended up happening and instead a handful of users (including myself) began using it regularly for random mindless discussion. I don't think it's fair to call it dicksword-like since it's straight out of the 90s (in fact Ayashij World started out as one of these in 96-97), there's no registration or ghey stuff liek voice chat, and it follows the exact same rules as the rest of Heyuri - but if ur not into chatting at all then I can see why u'd haet itI don't "favor" anyone there just because they frequent it, just as I don't frown upon anyone just because they don't use it. For what it's worth, I was one of the minority of users who argued against the existence of a staff-owned-and-operated Heyuri dicksword (which was heavily used for chat and retarded site drama back in 2020) and wanted it to be baleeted or used purely for support/technical things. That's because it was off-site, wasn't something u could anonymously lurk without registration, and many aspects of dicksword and its culture make it uniquely prone to causing hueg dramaSimilarly, did u know there was once plans for Heyuri to have a secret staff-only imageboard? In fact, it did briefly exist. Guess who staunchly argued against it and led to it's deletion (spoiler: it was me )
>>66294What are you talking about? Rule 8 is way UNDER applied nowadays. Since around November mods have suddenly became way more lenient and allow stuff that used to be deleted>2. Quoting something that wasn't posted (Use of the green arrow is now supposed to be EXCLUSIVELY used to quote a post you are replying to, NO. OTHERS. ALLOWED.)That's the way it's always been since teh anti-greentext rule was established. I actually saw a couple of times recently mods allowing greentext like that to stay. Such posts would've been immediately deleted a couple of months ago.
66308-san brings up a good point too - we have one camp of users always trying to pull site staff into being more lenient, and another camp of users always trying to pull site staff into being more strict. We can't please both camps at once. At best, all we can do is find a "happy" medium that "pleases" both equally (AKA not at all) Regarding staff changes and rule implementation changes made in the "past half a year" or "around November", from what I recall:- In September 2023, we figured out range bans were possible, and I also took a vacation and big moderation break for much of that month- In December, kaguya b& Tor due to frequent abuse from ban evaders- Around New Year's (I think?), one of teh April 2023 janitors was promoted to mod (meaning they can now hand out bans and change thread statuses rather than just delete posts and mute users)- I've been less active in general over this period cuz I've been mostly working on Heyuri★CGI-related projects, and otherwise opting to take it easy Besides that, there's been no changes to Rule 8 since the time "needlessly angry/argumentative posts" was added in April 2023, nor any changes to how it's enforced (at least on my part)Regarding making Rule 8 clearer: it's impossible for us to list every single thing that it may or may not cover + all contextual nuances. Such a list would also 1. be deserving of ridicule, and 2. be a convenient reference for those who wish to crap up Heyuri with it. The things that are currently listed give you a rough outline of what kind of thing isn't welcome, and it's mostly "phrases/images that are popular to troll with on 4chan and other troll-centric websites in modern times" plus (and this is where it's more difficult to determine) "various aspects of modern mainstream Western 'meme' culture"In general, we've always stated that Rule 8 does NOT mean anything that's new/popular, and I've always advised Heyuri staff-san to leave things alone for kaguya or someone to deal with if they're not absolutely sure something breaks Rule 8 and to not immediately delete/ban something just because a report was made
Herez something to note: I'm actually way more lax about enforcing Rule 8 than I was around 2021~2022. You could have criticized me for your points 3 and 4 back then since I b& users who I didn't like the attitude of liek a lot more often Enforcing of R8 is highly subjective, but can say I largely agree with anonwaha's approach. The other mod-san can be more strict or lax on times, and I think Nakura used to be also quite strict while he was around. At the end, this doesn't matter since the fun is being had on Heyuri As for KYM reports - I'm >>66262 san, I do think it's くだらない but I sometimes decide to go along with it and delete when it's something trivial like unrelated file deletions. I agree with >>66297 in that threadpoint 5 is something specific to OP, leaving that aside to handle in backgroundAs for CGI chat: A small portion of the site users are using it. I think its only issue is making certain fun namefags prefer it over BBSes, but there isn't really anything we as moderation can do about their decisions. Another portion of Heyuri users don't want to see a lot of threads by them anyways, so maybe it's the internet kami-sama's gift to us for the sake of peace (´人｀)>Similarly, did u know there was once plans for Heyuri to have a secret staff-only imageboard?To maek it clear, Heyuri had a staff chat back in the day too, it was helpful to announce stuff that only mattered for mods. Right now it doesn't matter since I have private communications of all mods to contact when necessaryThanks for caring enough about Heyuri to create this thread OP
>>66303Oh, so it's the hamster that spawned this? I was the one who asked for the hamster to be deleted>When the rule was created, it was meant to keep out the stifling, creativity-destroying repetitive imagesIt wasn't removed because it's a tik tok meme, it was removed because it's yet another creativity-destroying repetitive low-res picture of an animal with slightly distorted features. That's the problem with all tik tok memes, it's not because they're modern. No, that's not the problem, the problem is that they're repetitive, I mean they're basically copy pasted at this point. You know why? Because no one on tik tok, or twitter or reddit or anywhere basically in the modern internet has any remnant of creativity in their corroded brains.Now that I have explained the reason of my previous complaint, I actually agree with what OP is trying to say.
>>66321KAGUYA!!! RULE 8!!!!!! BALEET OR YOU HATE LOLIS!!!!!!
>>66321>low-res picture of an animal with slightly distorted featuresIt's hard to explain but there was something I felt uncomfortable about this too, even tiktok aside it just felt out of place. It doesn't have anything to do with creativity though, considering any cat picture could be perfectly fit Heyuri despite one could call them "not creative" or "repetitive" too
