M$ is spending big $ to FUCK every linux distro using shady business tactics, forum sliders, and " open source contractors". Also almost all big distros are adding in backdoors/age verification shit. Use netbsd if you want what linux was in sprit before the corporate infiltration. if you NEED "linux" for some reason, Devuan is ok I guess and if you want out of the box just werks open mandreva rock is the most stable distro I've used in years but new releases take forever and current is old + their rolling release breaks stuff sometimes. Maybe the remake of funtoo called vipnix, gnu guix, or ghostbsd with their gershwin desktop mac clone would be something cool to try.

Fedora is gud

CachyOS!

The distro I've had the best experience with is Mint. Easiest to use and a good beginner step.
>>187213
Mine has yet to ask for any information from me. I will cross that road if it does.

>>187196
I used Arch and Trisquel before, now I use Debian because it just works.

Your options are:
1. IBM bluewash RHEL
2. Outdated RHEL
3. Unstable RHEL
4. RHEL from source

i use debian

>>187196
LXLE is the distro i used the longest, 4-5 years IIRC. but i'm checking there site and it's down. i'm sad it might be discontinued

If you want to go brainless use arch with archinstall, I use it and it does everything i need

Cooler systems like nix seem fun i want to hop to something like nix because i can select programs i want each time and make profiles like that instead of having them either installed or uninstalled, but i can substitute it on arch so idk

If you dont care go to fedora its stable

It all depends, really. I use Debian nowadays because of some bad experiences with rolling release distros, but I might try them again in the future (Void seems nice). Debian is super stable and super boring, which is great for me since I value stability more than anything, and don't like fucking with my system too much after the initial setup. The packages are often 1-2 years old but you get used to it pretty quickly.

A few of my friends have tried Mint, Fedora and CachyOS. I'd say those are all really good options, but I would personally gravitate towards Mint and Fedora more just because of the stability. If you absolutely need the latest of the latest drivers and kernels though, then maybe go for CachyOS, or straight vanilla Arch if you wanna configure everything yourself, assuming you know what you're getting into.

>>187223
Mint is X11 trash and the repo is 2-4 years out of date on most packages, also, Cinnamon is a fucking terrible desktop environment and you should not be using anything besides KDE Plasma if you value your sanity anyways.

>>187230
What in the ever living fuck is "LXLE"?

>>187213
Noone is doing this, this is fearmongering autism. The "age verification" stuff went nowhere, Devuan, GNU Guix and vipNix are all terrible operating systems, GhostBSD is unusable corpo-garbage that only exists to fill the wallets of Apple executives like every other piece of shit BSD distro, because that's the point of BSD, be absolutely unusable and make money for Apple.

>>187215
Fedora is good.

>>187217
CachyOS is good.

>>187228
Debian is good.

>>187236
Arch is good.


Don't fall for bullshit about Linux, use something modern, something trusted, something stable, avoid anything which does not have at minimum Wayland like the plague.
Any of these are fine: Arch, Fedora, Debian, OpenSUSE - take your pick, none will disappoint.

>>187244
This is a good post he is right

Almost any linux is good

I would avoid:
mint, popos, ubuntu, kali, manjaro, zorinos, nobara (those i can name instantly, probably much more)
Because these distros are either gay, reinvent the wheel, or they are just someones personal preinstalled programs and configs making it pointless to exist

Pick whatever you like, if you dont know what you liek check fedora and arch and compare how they behave or compare more distros, use ai-sama to explain differences between distros to you
If you dont care get fedora (but whatever you pick is good in general except those bad ones i mentioned, i hate them)

what is windows GDID....

>>187244
anyone who uses fedora is a gay retard

i feel like the majority of linux users like to tell people they use an obscure distro but they dont actually DO anything on said distro, and use others for important things or distrohop so much they never do anything meaningful with their computers.

If your idea of computing is switching to a new distro every other month or year, you are an idiot, computers are tools, not hand-bags. They are meant to be used like bicycles, using the same bicycle until the wheels fall off as long as it gets you where you need to go and accomplishes your GOAL which is to GO SOMEWHERE.

I am sick of linux freaks recommending shitty distros because it is flavor of the month to poor uneducated people who just want something that works and runs the programs and drivers they need to live normal lives.

That stuff

>>187267
where does nobue nee-san fit into this analogy

what is windows gdid and should i also be afraid of it

>>187266
Precisely, people who are against the mainstream distributions and use shit like Devuan or Void or whatever the fuck don't actually do anything on their computers, speaking as a professional in my field... you will not be able to: play modern videogames, watch HDR content, do office work, edit photos, edit videos, do 3D content work, VFX, audio engineering/music production of any sort the more you steer away from the basic four distros (Debian, Arch, Fedora, openSUSE)

These weird, unpopular "libre" distributions with stupid shit like alternative init systems, old audio servers and old display servers are completely useless outside of some basic web browsing - a phone will always be more useful of a computer than a brand new laptop running something like Devuan.

People will have to understand sooner or later that maintaining "UNIX design philosophy" is entirely meaningless to the FOSS ecosystem.

If you're really scared of going for upstream, even something like Ubuntu, or CachyOS, or Ultramarine Linux will be much more preferable to something like Mint, as these are much closer to upstream.

There are also good RHEL distros like Rocky Linux.

>>187277
devuan is just debian without systemd. Anyone who does any real professional work or plays the latest games is NOT using linux, they use windows. Your distro doesn't magically stop you from running all this software you claim to use.
and being upset that people have the choice to NOT bootlick the megacorporation's forced takeover of open source software is really crazy behavior.

>>187244
why do you care SO MUCH about the display server someone chooses?
"trusted" by who? Microsoft?

>>187279
"Anyone who does any real professional work or plays the latest games is NOT using linux, they use windows."
Sorry, I do, and I use Linux, the only proprietary software I use is Steam, I will not be forced to use Windows and I will not use Windows or any related Microsoft product.

"Your distro doesn't magically stop you from running all this software you claim to use." It does, half the stuff I'm talking about stops working on most of these weird distros for several related reasons, I get the point about systemd or whatever, but it's NEVER just systemd, if a distro has no systemd it often has some bullshit like X11Libre - they're all funky, weird, and dysfunctional operating systems. Also no point in going downstream if upstream works, use Debian instead of Devuan because there will be less issues.


>>187280
I don't, use whatever you like, but this is a thread by a newbie who wants to get into Linux, why would I willingly tell him to use garbage? He should know what good Linux is.
"Trusted" by actual people who do real work, and need basic things like support for more than one colour space per window, such as graphic designers. Microsoft is the company that wants you to use old software so FOSS never gets anywhere and you'd be forced to use their products which are objectively ahead in many things unfortunately.

PoopOS and Doodoovian, or Upoontu

>>187277
>a phone will always be more useful of a computer than a brand new laptop running something like Devuan
I've been dailying Devuan for 4 years now, never had any issues. Just because you aren't willing to learn how another init system works doesn't mean it will magically become useless.

>187286
actually doing work like managing several containers or jerking tablet driver daemons and audio stuff without systemctl is a cancerous experience I'm glad we don't have to deal with anymore, the engineers didn't write this new technology for no reason

>>187244
>that's the point of BSD, be absolutely unusable and make money for Apple.
What is the point of linux then? To be a half baked mac ripoff for windows refugees or israel's personal mainframe to bomb children in gaza?

>What in the ever living fuck is "LXLE"?
https://googlethatforyou.com?q=LXLE%20linux

>>187312
"What is the point of linux then? To be a half baked mac ripoff for windows refugees or israel's personal mainframe to bomb children in gaza?"
To be a functional, aswell as a reliable open source kernel, which it is, because it's using a sane and reasonable open source license. BSD has been out for years and we have yet to be graced by the legendary BSD machine with functional 3D acceleration, let alone the ability to do anything than browse the web (arguable, the Firefox "gecko" port for FreeBSD is limited to working on two CPU architectures and most DRM content does not load - I wouldn't call BSD capable of truly browsing the web, per se, it's worse than a smartphone.)

One thing BSD is really good at is networking, but due to BSD's horrible cuckold permissive license, this has allowed megacorporations to develop far more advanced closed-source software off of BSD's work without having to give back! BSD is pretty much the perfect tool to kill FOSS, it's designed from the ground up to turn everyone's hard work into easily stealable code :)

>https://googlethatforyou.com?q=LXLE%20linux
Rhetorical question, I was mostly asking why the ever loving fuck would anyone mention a distribution called "LXLE", just by the name you should know it's nothing worth talking about

>>187213
Not OP, I happen to have an old (~10 years ago) install of Arch in a VM and thought about just copying it to some hardware. It works so much better compared even to the one on hardware I stopped updating a year ago. Feels like open sores is double dead now that slop is here to deliver coup de grace. Should be plenty of time before the bubble bursts.

Is anyone at all at least planning to fork everything that matters from older revisions of repositories? The kernel is obviously out of question for the time being but once the old guard gives up and just goes offline or at least into some walled garden but everything else needs a pruning real bad.

>>187281
Ok post some real examples of the "work" you do on linux!
And what exactly is wrong with xlibre? technical reasons only btw I don't wanna hear you cry about the devs!

I use Linux Mint and it's great. It was recommended to me as a beginner distro and I've never felt the need to try any other ones. Very easy to use and I can do everything I need to.

On my next install, I will be trying Linux Mint Xfce Edition, which is just Mint with an even moar lightweight GUI.

>>187244
>>187256
Regarding Mint, I hear it doesn't keep itself on the latest versions of repos but what advantages is that user missing out on that the newer updates offer?
Also what's wrong with Cinnamon. I didn't really notice much difference between the two when I tried out distros.
Finally what's the difference between X11 and wayland? I heard wayland is better but nothing specific.

>>187315
>To be a functional, aswell as a reliable open source kernel,
Is that why they're using rust in the kernel? Existing contributors having to learn a new meme language and juggle between them because corporate shareholders funding linux astroturf it to hell and back is „reliable” and „functional”?

Please elaborate on how did you come to the conclusion of that being linux's goal.

For an example OpenBSD's main goal is to be the most secure operating system possible no matter how many sacrifices must be made to achieve that.

NetBSD's main goal is to be the most portable and backwards compatible operating system possible and available on any machine no matter how obscure or unique.

Those are distinct and unique goals that are attributed to those operating systems. If you think about OpenBSD you think „security”. If you think about NetBSD you think „portability”. You can verify that those things are true by observing their websites and the way the operating systems work.

On the other hand if you think about linux you either think about an unwashed homeless man with a laptop on a garbage bin programming, a penguin or a bunch of low functioning autists acting like pretentious faggots who think they have unearthed ancient wisdom by copy-pasting commands from the arch wiki.

>BSD has been out for years and we have yet to be graced by the legendary BSD machine
The legendary BSD machine is sitting in my bedroom. It's called the „Build it Yourself, Faggot” machine.

>Firefox "gecko" port for FreeBSD is limited to working on two CPU architectures
Most people aren't watching youtube on powerpc or arm embedded micro controllers. Also fedora linux, the distro you've claimed is good isn't much better in that regard so I don't know what's your fucking point.

>most DRM content does not load
/usr/ports/net-p2p/qbittorrent-5.2.3

>I wouldn't call BSD capable of truly browsing the web
Of course it isn't. BSD Unix is from 1978, before the world wide web. FreeBSD on the other hand works fine.

>One thing BSD is really good at is networking
Correct, we use ifconfig instead of ass rape supplicant.

>but due to BSD's horrible cuckold permissive license,
Why are gnutards always thinking about extreme sexual fetishes? Is that why you're always so angry? Are you sexually frustrated that you can't watch DRM cuckold nigger porn on FreeBSD?

>this has allowed megacorporations to develop far more advanced closed-source software off of BSD's work without having to give back!
You should be grateful for that. Most government computers use windows, imagine the human suffering if microsoft had to design a fucking TCP/IP stack.

Also, corporations are parasitic. Copyleft GPL license invites and allows bureaucratic vermin to insert themselves into a project and make decisions that benefit them the most which do not align with what the community wants because GPL itself is bureaucratic mental illness.

>BSD is pretty much the perfect tool to kill FOSS,
BSD is indemnifying a project from corporate bullying. Also are you even trying to not sound like a fed or does mossad not pay you enough?

>it's designed from the ground up to turn everyone's hard work into easily stealable code :)
Code is not intellectual property, you can't „steal” code. Also it's not like corporations have to follow the law anyway, nobody gives a shit if you „steal” GPL code unless it's funded by DoD like GN*ME.

>I was mostly asking why the ever loving fuck would anyone mention a distribution called "LXLE"
Hope picrel helps.

>>187323
I think you are kinda right about gpl inviting bureaucracy into projects, but this really only happens with large stuff like the linux kernel. Anything with a foundation or something huge behind it is the real issue. You can see FFMPEG is constantly getting requests by google and other companies to add features because those companies rely on the software, yet most don't contribute to the development. If it were not gpl then these companies would just fork and have their own internal version which you are right, they already do that anyway but they don't want to because it costs them money.
BUT the GPL SHOULD legally stop companies from taking the work of a developer and using it in their paid software. This is important because the whole idea of unix is that everything is made up of components that are small enough for anyone to understand and create new modules which interact with those components, thus being truly open source and free for the common man to understand and modify. The GPL would give you, a single guy making a small component, the protections needed to stop a company from taking over your creation from underneath you like what happened to this guy: https://philiplaine.com/posts/getting-forked-by-microsoft/

>>187277
Void isn't Devuan, it has Wayland and doesn't even package X11Libre. Sure, it uses runit instead of systemd, but you won't need systemd unless you're configuring a server.
I picked Void because it has up to date versions of the packages I need, really the only difference between distros is which packages are missing/out of date. That only works of course if you know what you need in the first place.

>>187323
I run FreeBSD on my laptop with a fucked SSD that Linux wouldn't boot on and it works great. When I found out that Wine works without problems I was amazed.
The only thing I dislike is that it installs packages in /usr/local, and that conflicts with it being the standard place for random shit I pull from master.

>>187322
>what advantages is that user missing out on that the newer updates offer?
Not being on the newest updates means you'll miss out on... the newest updates. Which is mostly features. I don't know how Mint does it but Debian has very old packages, and they patch those packages often to keep up with security updates, or fix small bugs, but it's still an older version of the software. Maybe Mint does something similar to its packages. Will you be missing out on anything important? I don't know, do you need those newer updates?
>Finally what's the difference between X11 and wayland? I heard wayland is better but nothing specific.
X11 has been the default on Linux since forever. One day people realized that it had quite a few issues, mostly wrt security, code size and performance in the main implementation, Xorg. So some people came together alongside other Xorg developers to make wayland, which is supposed to be a more secure, simpler , more performant windowing system/protocol than X11. The main wayland implementations (Plasma and GNOME) are pretty on par with Xorg nowadays in terms of features but there's still work to be done imo. Some software will work just fine on wayland, others won't for various reasons. You just have to try it yourself and see if it works for you.
>>187337
Just curious: How long have you been using Void for? Would you consider it a stable system, compared to like Debian (if you've used it before)?

I like how technology threads always look like 4chan's /g/ (possibly the actual worst board there, and I am serious) and devolve into "the thing you're doing is fundamentally wrong because I wouldn't do it that way" every fucking time.

What a fucking joke.

>>187343
>possibly the actual worst board there, and I am serious
How many decades since you've visited its /b/?

>>187343
Shallth weth addeth technology to ruleth 8th

>>187354
Onlyeth M'Lord Kaguyath the Justh shallt commandeth

>The recent news about Windows' GDID
can i get a summary? what happened?

>>187341
>How long have you been using Void for?
4 years apparently. (At least I found a Void iso on my old drive from 2022.)
>Would you consider it a stable system, compared to like Debian (if you've used it before)?
For over a decade my desktop was Ubuntu, and after every version upgrade I'd spend hours fixing drivers etc. that inevitably broke. Rolling distros don't prevent this, but you upgrade less at once, so it's easier to get back to a working state.
I still use Debian on my homeserver, I think it's the better tool for that purpose.

>>187352
More modern 4/b/ sucked (full disclosure: last time I visited was maybe 2021), but entirely because it became /b/ for /b/oring. The same threads posted on repeat, every day, all day, for just about ten years, with the most interesting ones slowly fading away in that time period.

4/g/ was basically all just getting angry over everything, in a way that literally /pol/ or 4/v/ or the other really shitty boards didn't, all combined with a sense of moral superiority over using software a different way. I am not entirely convinced that there wasn't some kind of deliberate effort to make it hard to talk about anything on 4/g/, since it wasn't always like this.

>>187319
I do photography, marketing and real estate, not posting that shit here for obvious reasons, but all through Linux. I don't even code, and since I'm on an immutable distribution I have literally never touched the console and don't feel like doing so.
>And what exactly is wrong with xlibre? technical reasons only btw I don't wanna hear you cry about the devs!
because X11 is terrible, the X11Libre devs are terrible too, because their lead dev in a Github thread accidentally revealed he isn't capable of middle school math.

>>187323
>Is that why they're using rust in the kernel?
Yes, Rust is a good programming language like C++, that's why they use it.

>On the other hand if you think about linux you either think about an unwashed homeless man with a laptop on a garbage bin programming, a penguin or a bunch of low functioning autists acting like pretentious faggots who think they have unearthed ancient wisdom by copy-pasting commands from the arch wiki.
I actually just think of normal people, funnily enough even with all of OpenBSD's "security", noone actually uses it, funny how that works - you say NetBSD is good for portability, but literally noone has ever used NetBSD (because it is useless) so this is unverifiable.
Whenever I think of BSD users, I think of unwashed homeless men with laptops on a garbage bin programming, because they think ipconfig is more useful than a laptop that actually runs programs you'd wanna use.

>nobody gives a shit if you „steal” GPL code
they said that until the Licensing & Compliance Team took down two massive corporations in the 2000s with massive lawsuits, and everyone has been on their good behaviour since.

>>187377
Yes, /g/ has suffered much from various low quality crap and that lead to what you're describing. Still, if you could ignore the worst then some of the threads were serviceable a few years ago.
On the other hand /b/ is not just "boring", it is completely dead in every possible way. There are no humans posting there anymore. It is 100% bots. There are a few OPs that are nothing but advertisement of some other stuff (chats or whatever, don't know and don't care) up 24/7.

OP here, decided on Linux Mint

>>187379
>I do … marketing and real estate,
Explains everything about you.

>Yes, Rust is a good programming language like C++, that's why they use it.
No, they don't use it because it's a good language. They use it because that's what the shareholders wanted.

The problem with that is they made a big change in the kernel based on an over hyped trend. You don't want a new language in an already bloated 20+ year old code base because it's the hot current thing everyone is talking about. Especially when the code quality is inconsistent or obfuscated and old code almost never being thrown away. It's just going to result in an unstable mess which is not „functional” or „reliable”.

>nobody uses this or that
You forgot to make a point.

>Whenever I think of BSD users, I think of unwashed homeless men with laptops on a garbage bin programming,
No, you don't. That was a reference to Richard Stallman. He's the face of the GNU project and the FSF in case you didn't know. He is dirty and gross and has been seen programming on his laptop on top of a trash can.

What you have said literally makes no sense because it's referencing something that has no correlation to BSD in anyway. Unlike Richard, Theo actually practices proper hygiene.

Not like anything you say makes sense anyway.

>because they think ifconfig* is more useful
It is.

>than a laptop that actually runs programs you'd wanna use.
Which programs don't work on BSD's that work on linux? Proprietary DRM porn games on steam don't count btw.

>they said that until the Licensing & Compliance Team took down two massive corporations in the 2000s with massive lawsuits, and everyone has been on their good behaviour since.
Everyone except: microsoft, which used GPL code in windows XP and didn't open-source it, redhat which made RHEL closed-source and everyone else that funds the development of linux and is in the foundation board.

GPL is worse than useless and hasn't solved any problems it claims to solve.

>>187323
>NextBSD
https://wiki.netbsd.org/projects/project/desktop-infrastructure/

>Support for "real" desktops on NetBSD is somewhat limited and also scattershot. Part of the reason for this is that most of the desktops are not especially well engineered, and they contain poorly designed infrastructure components that interact incestuously with system components that are specific to and/or make sense only on Linux.

If BSD people are such smart, good engineers, why haven't they made a good desktop stack? All they have is Linux hand-me-downs and horrid Unix fossilware like CDE. In 7 years, Andreas Kling did with Serenity OS, what they haven't managed to in over 30.

>The purpose of this project, per se, is not to implement any particular piece of infrastructure. It is to identify pieces of infrastructure that the desktop software stacks need from the operating system, or provide themselves but ought to get from the operating system, figure out solid designs that are compatible with Unix and traditional Unix values, and generate project descriptions for them in order to get them written and deployed.
>Last edited 12 years and 3 months ago

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