the internet used to be an escape from the physical world. now heyuri is an escape from the internet

heyuri is really the only place that still clicks for me theres always something new

The internets cause more problems than they solve these days. ヽ(`Д´)ノ I hope someone goes back in time and kills Al Gore so we can jump to a better timeline.

I'm not sure how did things manage going this terrible, but some fun places I used to visit are laughably unfun now

take 4/jp/ for example, compare Heyuri's Miku birthday thread ( >>154405 ) with the rule 8-fest there https://pomf2.lain.la/f/i600iefs.png

i dropped 4chan immediately after taking my first look around heyuri

Congratz, you made the right decision

i'm still surprised people are on the four even after it got hacked, that should have been a sign to move away for good
it's so desolate, there's pretty much no culture there, or anywhere anymore, thanks to internet centralization, you can tell where people hail from from how they type. it's one massive perpetual internet soup.

I am glad that chat-gpt recommended heyuri to me

>>154647
it's literally all about the PPH.
i was on 8chan.moe during the april hack and that was the main and only reason these retards were going back to 4chan... they genuinely don't care if the majority of the PPH are from the fucking bots the site is infested with. they are all addicted faggots too far gone to realize how miserable it is to use nu-4chan.

i assure you that if a 4chan fag came here he'd call it a dead site because he didn't get an instant no-fun-allowed reply telling him to kill himself or calling him a [RULE 8]

to think that if all of them moved from the site the PPH would literally go up wherever they decided to go... 4chan can't organize shit anymore, it's pathetic.

>>154649
when 4chan became the steam release valve for social media sites, ie the dump for users from other sites who go to 4chan just to say things they cant say on reddit, it lost all its real usefulness.
And later the politics stuff turned it into just a psyop hub.
people who want instant gratification just go to t*ktok/tw*tter.

>>154651
unrelated to 4chan but...
>just to say things they cant say on reddit
i've noticed that the internet is so fucking censored and restrictive that every single site that gives the users true freedom of speech always end up devolving into "that site children and retards can go to say NIGGERFAGGOT and tell others to kill themselves"... an example that comes to mind is vidlii. so much potential on a truly free youtube clone and it's literally nothing but retards arguing with each other and giggling while they type "NIGGER" or repost an unfunny edgy video. it's nothing but that and stupid politics... oh, and children posting trash. barely any OC worth checking comes out of that site.

the old internet will never come back because of the faggots using it, you will never experience the true fun that freedom of speech gives ever again. outside of imageboards, of course. (ﾟー｀)

Your fortune: Bad luck

>>154643
4/jp/ getting this bad is the actual reason why I left 4chan.
I still miss being on a site with a high PPH. ( ´ω`)

honestly, some of the not-Heyuri sites I go to now are lucky to have 1PPD （ ´,_ゝ`）
and sometimes they're that fast because I'm the 1PPD （;⌒∇⌒ゞ）
painful

theres like a thousand indians a second who get a new phone and post online, i think in the near future, there will be a lot of people going to more obscure places just to get away from low quality posting or annoying people like that. That might be an upside for niche sites.
I dont really care about PPH though.

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I told you that you won't use any other board after you get used to being here!!!
>>154654
Heyuri isn't even free speech oriented and it's already much better than that. It's that 4chan state of mind, being aggressive to absolutely everyone just because you can, that kills free speech sites.
But come on, there has to be a reason why this happens. Did 4chan change the definition in so many people's minds?
"You are able to freely express your opinion without being censored" into "You are able to start shitstorms with the purpose of calling everyone niggers or maybe faggots"

I still lurk on 4/v/. I'm not really sure why, I'm not massively into games anymore. I guess it's force of habit where I've been using the site consistently since 2004. The smaller boards are still worth a look in, like /Po/ and /diy/.

It's pretty obvious but 4chan isn't what it used to be. Most threads are filled with nonsensical bot spams yet 4/a/ is still the only western imageboard to talk about airing, old, or anime in general. The rare threads with real anons discussing a show are the only thing worth visiting/reading.

I don't think this site is really good at talking about anime. 8 moe had promise but the retards in charge ran it to the ground.

>>154668
>Heyuri isn't even free speech oriented and it's already much better than that.
well... that's literally the reason why its better than that, because it's not trying to be a true freedom of speech site, if they did heyuri would end up just like 4chan and any other site.
you can't have true freedom of speech anymore because people are fucking cancer, you always have to enforce "restrictive" rules in order to keep your site cancer-free.

>Did 4chan change the definition in so many people's minds?
i don't think it was 4chan, i think it's the reason i gave. the internet getting so censored that people see freedom of speech sites as that place you can do everything you can't on other places, rather than a place with less restrictions.

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>>154683
freedom of association trumps any other one.
I don't want to share spaces with wanker.
and I don't think rules against behaving like a wanker as a >restrictive rule

>people see freedom of speech sites as that place you can do everything you can't on other places, rather than a place with less restrictions.
A question I have is: when given the freedom to do whatever on the internet, why do they usually choose to do the most ragebaiting, shitposty, low-effort, or just plain unfun thing possible?

The reasons I can think of are:
-The 2020-2023 virus pandemic and social isolation forced almost everyone online. A lot of them "became retarded" (for lack of a better word) after prolonged exposure to the internet.
-Rage feels amazing: nothing like being able to insult some stranger while feeling like you're better than them
-Replies, Likes and (You)s are similar to a social interaction and make you feel good. Farming them by shitposting is effective.
-Whatever causes dicksword servers and r*dd*t moderation groups to devolve into drama. It seems way too common to be random bad actors.
-The people calling for and cheering the increasing restrictions placed on the internet are "worthless pieces of shit" that they hate. Yelling every edgy, "dark humor", offensive statement against them is an act of defiance that makes them feel good (as mentioned in the "rage" point).
-Too much irony and sarcasm.

>it's not trying to be a true freedom of speech site

I spoke of this in the chatroom previously, so I will mirror my musings here:

What people so often misunderstand about internet freedom of speech stems from a misunderstanding of the internet in general. The internet is not a centralised entity owned by a ruling cabal, despite some orgs trying to make it such. It is a collection of interacting networks which can, in theory, work without any state, corporate, or other powerful structures' input. Most people, admittedly, already know this. But when discussion of the internet comes up, I am still faced with people who seemingly forget the importance of internet as an infrastructure rather than its services.

Internet freedom of speech comes from the infrastructure, not individual hosts. It is not every webforum and recipe site's task to enforce "tr00 freeze peach d00d" and get perpetually fucked in the ass by low quality spam. It is not their task to do anything at all, really! The webforum can freely ban spammers, the underage, and everything in between. The recipe site could ban racial minorities from their guestbook, if they really wanted!

This, in essence, is internet freedom of speech. One can easily make a site of their own and enforce whatever rules—or lack thereof—they wish. If you are unhappy with a forum with rules you believe are too strict, install SQL and some software on a box and do one better. For better or for worse, it was this mindset that compelled a certain Futaba lurking otaku to make his own Japanese-style BBS board after getting fussy at another web admin's anime bans.

Thinking that every site must conform to a strictly tr00 freeze peach style is a bit draconian itself, is it not? That every site must enforce a specific rule whether they want to or not seems antithetical to freedom. How would we enforce such a thing? World governments? Tech conglomerates? And we would trust them with upholding this for "the good cause?" The FCC has sent me a letter saying that the php script on my computer is not acting in accordance with the Freespeech Autonomy General Support act and I must pay a hefty fine. Freedom achieved!

It sounds silly laying it bare this way, because it is silly. I find it hard to believe any netizen would want every site to be that way, including ones who say they do. The aforementioned Vidlii's former admin "lolwut" is someone I have critiqued heavily in the past for making this same misunderstanding. He is well-intentioned, surely, as I am unsure if he even knows why his site became so shit. He likely believed he practiced the same freedom of speech as the rest of the internet.

I will refrain from going much deeper than I already have, but these incidents crop up, too, for what I believe to be a misunderstanding of freedom itself. Freedom comes not when there are no rules, but when there are no rulers. A rule should be followed when the people want it to be, not because a powerful body says it should.
There exist those who want to be rulers over the internet, but it is not the tired Heyuri moderator that banned you for being a retard. The forest is being leveled and you are still focused on the trees.

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>>154687
that's why i said
>"restrictive" rules
they are literally restricting what you can and can't say, but it's obviously something we all see as positive and one of the main reasons why this imageboard hasn't gone to shit.

my point was that nowadays if you are not enforcing rules that restrict what people can or can't say you'll get nothing but wankers shitting all over your site, hence true freedom of speech can't really work on the internet anymore.

There can be freedom of speech, but it requires people being somewhat civil on their own part.

The problem is that "civility" or "normal" is dictated all kinds of ways.
As an example, a liberal moderation team's view "normal" is very liberal, because they themselves are liberal, which leads to over-censorship, as anything below that line of acceptability is "out of line" and anything above that normal threshold is "just being a decent human being".
When in reality they've defined what "decent human being is" based on their own worldview.

Moderating based on what someone defines as socially acceptable is never good.
Freedom of speech shouldn't mean freedom to be malicious. However, many often either ignorantly, or intentionally associate abnormal opinions as malicious in nature. Which is where it goes wrong.

People see a place like 4chan where people are blatantly malicious, just to psychologically injure their ideological opponents and it colors their perception of what freedom of speech means. Coupled with media pushing censorship and you get all kinds of pro-censorship people who think freedom of speech is archaic and needs to go.

i'd rather look at someone calling someone else a nigger faggot than at this disgusting thread about some mentally sick individual masturbating with his sisters 4 week old vomit

You talk about the site not being trash, wait until this revolting shit is gone. This isnt GUROCHAN.

>>154691
freedom can't be a goal in itself is absurd.
and you will never reach absolute true freedom ,your writing for ex need to follow some gramar rules to be intelegible.
other rule might be added onto this basic one depending on your actual endgoal.
if your place or site has no endgoal and want to be a meaningless sinkhole good for you.
>>154693
>Moderating based on what someone defines as socially acceptable is never good.
you can moderate your site however you want.
problem arises when you are moderating on other people sites or project.
restricitive what people can do with what they own is despicable imo

>>154694
Boys will be boys ( ´ω`)

>>154689
What you've written is quite interesting (most of it I can understand), but one comment I have:
>A rule should be followed when the people want it to be
The one assumption is that "the people" are a homogenous monolith that can all agree on whether a rule is "wanted". There are sites where the userbase is like that, but what happens when they can't agree? How do you decide whether to implement a rule one side craves it and the other fears it?

Of course, you did give a solution:
>If you are unhappy with a forum with rules you believe are too strict, install SQL and some software on a box and do one better.

I do wonder what might happen if this is taken to the extreme. Will there be a reversion to old internet style Geocities/Angelfire personal web pages, where each person controls their own insular website/blog on things they like, and communication is by email servers/guestbooks hosted on their site?
If a certain section of the internet like that exists, I might like to explore it . I know Neocities amd FC2 has something similar.

>restricitive what people can do with what they own is despicable imo
i agree, if you own it, set the rules however you want.
In a general sense, i just think that freedom of speech is being redefined as a negative thing these days.
It can be a good thing, it just has to be cultivated in a way that recognizes that being weird or abnormal =/= hate
I think heyuri does a great job with this.

>>154694
>You talk about the site not being trash, wait until this revolting shit is gone. This isnt GUROCHAN.

Heyuri does have a lot of gross-posters and poop obsessed users, im not sure why. I just ignore it.

>>154694
how long have you been here? because that stuff is very ignorable
or maybe i'm just a particularly desensitized person :p

>>154695
>and you will never reach absolute true freedom ,your writing for ex need to follow some gramar rules to be intelegible.
ok...? we are talking about freedom of speech—freedom of saying whatever the fuck you want. you are talking about general freedom for some reason and also bringing up grammar rules, which makes it feel like you're either saying random shit or just being pedantic...

sites with freedom of speech do normally have a main "goal" with the added bonus of not having the restrictions of the modern internet. the problem is that people ignore that and only focus on it being "that place where you say whatever you want". saying whatever you want isn't THE goal of the site. the main goal of VidLii for example is the same as youtube, share what you want to the internet. "broadcast yourself", "display yourself".

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>>154694
weak. 9(＾Д^)

WARNING: Unko post

>>154701
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this is what peak absolute freedom of speech look like

>>154704
>dsfdxkyijjkbtxer vhjbnòouhygfrdehxg

I cant believe he just said that!!

>>154626
The physical world (in solitude) can be an escape from the real world (the internet).
We miss the internet being an escape, but we failed to realize the astral/onirical world is the OG of escapism.

>>154701
>the main goal of VidLii for example is the same as youtube, share what you want to the internet. "broadcast yourself", "display yourself".
Do you think the people shitting up the site ARE actually following that goal? What if they are sharing the kind of content they want to see, which so happens to be the most garbage baity posts imaginable?