do you have to be a pedophile to post here or is it only encouraged?
Neither
>>68180then what's with the frequent "3d loli" threads 🤔
>>68181Define "frequent", you mean less than 5% of all threads/posts?Over the past months, how many "3D loli" threads were created VS not that.Just post whatever you want to post, and let others post what they want to post.
>>681821/20 is pretty frequent so this is a maps site then?
>then what's with the frequent "3d loli" threadsA certain couple of users like to make those types of threads every time they show up here, and will bump them every so often over several days so they don't fall too far from the front pageI personally wouldn't allow many of those threads since there's a very high chance they're illegal (and we used to just baleet them), but kaguya wants to keep them
>>68184ah the owner is okay with them, unfortunate. explains why the site affiliates include escort services. wonder what kaguya gets up to?
>explains why the site affiliates include escort servicesThat was purely for LOLs value
>>68186it was pretty funny to realize tbh, esp when it was backlinked i was just trying to see some women who could kick my ass!everything else still stands though, kaguya should stop being an enabler. it's a bad look, other "unwanted" parts of chan culture are excluded, open pedophilia should be as well
>it's a bad look, other "unwanted" parts of chan culture are excluded, open pedophilia should be as wellI'm not one to care about "look" - I just don't want:A. pedos/MAPfags (or anyone else) to use this site for lame interwebs activism & radicalization attempts (including shoving their illegal fetish in everyone's faces constantly)B. Heyuri to be pigeonholed as "a site for lolicons/pedophiles" instead of "a site for a wide variety of (mostly Japanese) erotic materials"C. Heyuri to get pwned
>>68188B is what i meant by "look", allowing the posts makes the casual observer think that this is a site for pedos. even if they're "only" 5%, they leave a strong impression
>>68188why care if "Heyuri to be pigeonholed as "a site for lolicons/pedophiles"
>why care if "Heyuri to be pigeonholed as "a site for lolicons/pedophiles"Cuz it's boring if this site becomes samey and one-dimensional. All that does is 1. invite even more of the same, and 2. drive away those who aren't interested in that one thingVariety has long been one of Heyuri's greatest strengths, and it would be sad to lose that bcuz a couple of fags intentionally overrepresented their fetish on the site over a period of time
tw*tter filename in OP post. just saying.
>>68191nobody can fight the law of supply and demand.Supply: Pedo friendly site (very few)Demand: Pedo friendly users (high)Result: Many pedos will use this website exclusively for their (pedo) interestThe only thing you can do is remove the supply. You unfortunately cannot influence (increase/reduce) the demand.
>>68185>>68189You are just saying "that is NOT a good look" like the twitter tourist freak you are, coming into a culture that isn't your own and passive aggressively saying it should change to better suit you.
>>68184Do you mean those threads that have a real child on them?
Coming from twitter, needlessly aggressive OP post, rule 8. Let locals make our own decisions, there was already discussion around this.
>I personally wouldn't allow many of those threads since there's a very high chance they're illegalit depends on the country, 2D loli is illegal in many countries
>>681881) "Japanese erotic materials" include 2D loli and junidols Making an exception just for it is funny.2) We live in OPPRESSIVE society, such topics can't be discussed on the usual modern corporate internet, but the demand for it is still high, because people love to discuss things they love, and this group of people isn't an exception.3) Posters of it were even on the Usenet AFAIK.4) You don't like them, this is why you say such things and see it as sort of some evil conspiracy. Yes, it unfortunately can be used to destroy sites and even lives, that's because of the current dumb situation where just a photo of a kid can be serious threat, which is dumb. But we common lolicons are innocent, trust me. 5) "to persuade others to accept them" >>68164 ppl would eventually accept it, when they would get tired of witch hunt and dumb scandals but that's distant futureMany thanks to Kaguya for still protecting free speech and lolicon's rights for expression.Yes, I'm a both dimension enjoyer, but not "activist", yet, I dream of things ofc.
>>68195>a real childYou have to go back
>>68194take your blood pressure meds. this isn't about me, this is about keeping imageboards alive. many have come and goneand mapsshit has killed many a community>>68196i thought it was a pretty funny way to bring it up, but seems to have stuck a nerve >>68198discussion <> sharing tribute photos of children, junidols or not. the maps members of heyuri are obviously pushing the bar more and more, even the previous discussions note that it's becoming more and more common. remember: heyuri is not about "free speech"i hope mods are able to monitor the PM feature
>I personally wouldn't allow many of those threads since there's a very high chance they're illegalDon't mix legal discussions with what we want on Heyuri, see discussion from 3D Girls board: >>67926<First of all, it's crucial to not mix the discussions of "what is the extend of stuff we can host without getting Heyuri in trouble" and "what type of board we want 3D Girls to be". While first one is a objective discussion trying to keep Heyuri alive, the latter should not pay regard to any legal limits - which would later be applied on top of the "rules" we reach here.<As I said in my first sentence, my only limits are legal ones. In a theoretical utopia where there are no laws limiting what we are allowed to fap to, I believe threads for both rori and adult fetishists could coexist in peace, so could mixed ones if that's something the thread topic allows. The discussion of "we are not a pedo site!" vs "true heyurizens are pedos!" is hereby highly lame and is a result of overthinking about what u get b0nerz fromIf that was your only worry, I'd just say u can delete posts/files/OPs from threads that get marked for deletion as you want, maybe tell beforehand in the threads so users can save the files >A. pedos/MAPfags (or anyone else) to use this site for lame interwebs activism & radicalization attemptsThat's long B&, see: >>65097>(including shoving their illegal fetish in everyone's faces constantly)Again, illegal or not aside, you shouldn't compare posting fetish images with spreading propaganda.>Heyuri to be pigeonholed as "a site for lolicons/pedophiles" instead of "a site for a wide variety of (mostly Japanese) erotic materialsIt's not our mistake what outsiders misjudge about Heyuri. It already is for wide variety of materials and non-ero content as well.It's said in this thread already, but maybe it's really the unusual (for a Western site) presence of openly lolikon users that makes people browsing for the first time notice the most so it's what get left behind in their minds. They should just lurk moar until they notice lolikon threads make less than 2% of all threads on Off-Topic: >>68057Getting used to seeing loli as "just another fetish preference" isn't some evil MAP propaganda, it's carrying a part of Japanese net over Heyuri. It's one thing one person was constantly bumping his own threads, but you can check that the participants to lolicon threads are largely usual Heyuri users - not that it's an issue if we have users who use Heyuri just for their own fetish(es) as long as they follow the rules and not be annoying about it (faganon fails here).If there comes a time any specific fetish (or not) topic was dominating the off-topic board (which is far from the current situation), we could then try to communicate with the users to decrease it, or scatter it to the appropriate boards if applicable.Consider posting moar of your own fetishes & inviting gentlemen from granny porn forums instead of arguing on this board >>68192>>68194>>68199This attitude is also R8-ish for being unnecessarily angry. People can come to this board to discuss anything about Heyuri, even recurrent ones I'm bored of repeating myself about
If the concern is with variety. Couldn't it just be bannable to make pure image dump threads on /b/?
>Couldn't it just be bannable to make pure image dump threads on /b/?that's not how Heyuri works and image dump threads aren't really connected to the topic
>illegal fetishnoooo you cant fap to that
>Don't mix legal discussions with what we want on HeyuriIf we plan to keep Heyuri alive long-term (both existentially and culturally), we can't have illegal material on teh site regardless of whether anyone wants it or not. Legality is always a factor when considering what we allow, especially when certain users are intent on pushing the legal limits for their own purposesObviously none of us are lawyers, but going by the actions of various "free speech"-oriented sites I've used in the past, I do believe that many (though not all) of the 3D loli posts made here are likely breaking US law - even if purely because they had sexual comments attached to them or the fact they were posted in the context of an ero-centric imageboard>It's not our mistake what outsiders misjudge about HeyuriI'm not talking about outsiders who judge Heyuri from afar - I'm talking about Heyuri's own users & the potential users Heyuri intends to attractMore than ever before, there is a near-constant presence of posts sexualizing 3D little girls in a non-humorous fashion across the site - primarily on Off-Topic and 3D Girls, but also elsewhere. OP is at least correct in that having those kinds of posts prominently featured on Heyuri does make it seem as if 3D pedophilia is an intrinsic component of the culture and userbase here, when that was never the case beforeHistorically, 3D pedo material was only seen once every couple of months on Heyuri at most - and whenever it did show up, it was usually tame. The current frequency and blatancy makes Heyuri sometimes feel more like a Masterchan or Cutie Garden offshoot (<-- in fact even they wouldn't allow some of the stuff we're currently allowing) rather than "Heyuri", and I think that diminishes the site as a wholeInstead of cultivating a userbase of funny, interesting, and creative users, Heyuri will primarily appeal to retards like faganon that just want to parasitically use Heyuri for selfish purposes - in this case, turning Heyuri into his personal pedo feed and trying to drive away those who aren't like himself while attracting those who are. Anyone not interested in 3D pedo stuff will either click the fuck away immediately the moment they show up, or they'll gradually feel ostracized by the vocal minority of 3D lolicons attempting to shun themIt's not like with 2D loli, scat, guro, etc., where many may find it disgusting, but it's ultimately fair game and to be expected on a Futaba/old-4chan inspired imageboard hosted in the USA. Sexualized 3D loli is treated with a much higher level of severity and NOPE-ism, regardless of how you or I personally feel about it. I think it's a shame to turn Heyuri into a pedo-exclusive community, which is what it will eventually become (and is clearly in the process of becoming) unless changes are madeUltimately, I propose we go back to baleeting posts with sexualized and/or skimpily-clothed 3D lolis like we used to, while still allowing pedobear-type humor, text-based discussion, and "cute not pedo" threads as we've always done>even recurrent ones I'm bored of repeating myself aboutThe feeling is mutual!
I'm fine with only real SFWs like https://img.heyuri.net/b/src/1740315731415.jpg remaining Btw are cuts like https://img.heyuri.net/s/koko.php?res=572#q581https://img.heyuri.net/s/koko.php?res=572#q714 considered SFW?
>>68205it's more like "you can fap but never tell anyone and dont even bring it up anonymously online" which is lol and not how these things work
>>68211>I'm fine with only real SFWs like...wonder what that thread content is like?>>>/b/133484oh...>are cuts like [this] okay?four minute video of a little girl cleaning a bar, including panning shots of her sitting with her knees up from crotch to headc'mon[/this]
>Btw are cuts like https://img.heyuri.net/s/koko.php?res=572#q581>https://img.heyuri.net/s/koko.php?res=572#q714 considered SFW?"SFW" doesn't play into Heyuri's moderation at all - just whether A. it's legal or not, and B. whether we want it or not (which usually comes down to whether we think XYZ inspires a good culture and community or not)In that thread specifically, I'd say the first 4 vids are mostly fine since they're just cute/adorable, but Sweeping Girl and Sundress Girl have too much obvious emphasis on butts, crotch, and transparent clothing (pantsu visible through dress) IMHO>it's more like "you can fap but never tell anyone and dont even bring it up anonymously online" which is lol and not how these things work...that's exactly how these things work, unless I'm misinterpreting you Nobody can stop you from fapping to whatever the hell you want - fap to this post if u so desire - but we can (and do) decide on what images and messages we want hosted on this site
>>68214It's "pedobear-type humor" There's way more scary loli-faces-fapper here.>c'monThat one is more questionable indeed, but it's now reminding me of Twitterfags bitching about revealing SKIN It seems to me that acceptance of loli eroticism in its development follows the same path of accepting usual, completely normal women bodies.If you are the OP why is your ID constantly changing? >>68215>"SFW" doesn't play into Heyuri's moderation at allBut while loli photos aren't going to be banned completely, they are going to be judged based on it, am I wrong?>the first 4 vidsCan agree with the rating I'm regretting Miraculous Angel, though.>...that's exactly how these things work, unless I'm misinterpreting youI was meaning it more Heyuri aside, in a more global context. Like what World is telling to 3D lolicons. And that's not how fetishes work, we're not Gods in our own universes to not bother anyone with it, we're social monkeys loving other monkeys. I read your explanation/rationale, but at the end of the day, this site policy change is indistinguishable from what other sites did because of external pressure or having convinced antis in stuff, some will go fuhrer, collaborating and reporting commenters' IPs like Gelbooru/ATF do. In some sense it means that modern world has won over Heyuri And it will also lose this particular Japanese thing.>fap to this post if u so desireA man in power and with such a confident stance... I'm getting wet down there
>>68217>it's pedobear-type humorsee I'd believe that but it seems pretty disingenuous that you hard linked the image so it'd appear out of context, but linked to the other thread directly>why is your ID constantly changing? traveling, though it's nice to know in current year you can still have a dynamic IP on at least one device (I'm assuming koko works like other ib software and is just hashing the user's ip for the id)
>>68225It was just the most easy to find sfw image, I just opened teh catalog and that's it. Wtf is even that "disingenuous"?... Those evil paedobears... "They usually argue it's "cute" and "funny" and try to make no big deal of it, however that's a mask beyond which something horribly rotten lies." You must have known about that thread if you were actually visiting teh off-topic. You were not reading it for several weeks, but you are very-very concerned
>Legality is always a factor when considering what we allowI didn't say otherwise if you read the quote, but there is an important difference between banning something because we don't want it and we can't have it>I do believe that many (though not all) of the 3D loli posts made here are likely breaking US lawThey can't be too illegal if we haven't got a single warning from registrar or server host about Heyuri over the years. My stance would be different if I've got any single warning about it, but that's not currently the case - so I also doubt we would see a sudden termination over this>posts sexualizing 3D little girls in a non-humorous fashion across the site - primarily on Off-Topic and 3D GirlsPeople don't have to be humorous while posting about their fetishes, especially on boards like 3D Girls where sharing of media is the most important aspect >I'm talking about Heyuri's own usersThat's your assumption... I don't get the feeling anyone on Heyuri, lolikon or not is seriously concerned over the presence of lolikon users. They are also the ones to know Heyuri's variety the best.>having those kinds of posts prominently featured on Heyuri does make it seem as if 3D pedophilia is an intrinsic component of the culture and userbase hereThey aren't "featured" in any official way, but if users want to post rori pics, why not just let them? We just need to maintain the environment to allow this to be the case for all kinds of fetishes.>Historically, 3D pedo material was only seen once every couple of months on Heyuri at mostSo it was always allowed! I remember a long discussion about loli poop YT channel few years ago as well. I also don't feel a big difference between then and now regarding their frequencies. Among the last 100 threads on Off-Topic, there are just two 3D lolikon threads: Candydoll and cum tributes. They were allowed any time in the past, also posted by 3D lolikon, so I don't see what is different now.>Heyuri will primarily appeal to retards like faganonIf new users break Rule 8, they can be B& regardless of their fetishes.If we get too many new users who are into any specific fetish, we can work on communicating with them to somehow contain them so boards wouldn't be dominated by that a single topic/fetish>3D lolicons attempting to shun themYou can ban anyone who shuns others for not having their fetishes, as was always the case>It's not like with 2D loli, scat, guro, etc., where many may find it disgusting, but it's ultimately fair gameI don't see much difference besides teh legality. I fap seriously and furiously to 2D, others with different preferences can fap in the same manner to 3D counterparts. I would if I found them attractive >Futaba/old-4chan inspiredWT Snacks was lax about 3D loli, and Futaba had a dedicated 3D loli board in the past where users shared CP Heyuri is its own thing though, my opinion wouldn't be different even if these sites had different policies.>Heyuri into a pedo-exclusive communityNoone says or aims for that. I think most users would want a rorikon(or anything else)-inclusive community where their fellow other users aren't shunned for their fetishes (which lately is the case with several cases of newbies condemning older users for "actually" being lolikon...)>baleeting posts with sexualized and/or skimpily-clothed 3D lolis like we used toWe never had a policy about baleeting any and all sexualized 3D loli...Again, legal part aside, I still don't want to delete them for just being a specific kind of fetish. I'd defend any other fetish group the same way (maybe except for furries). As I told earlier, if your proposal is just about the sharing of images, I don't mind if just the files are deleted earlier than their expiration, preferably with a prior warning.
honestly, my view on this whole thing is simple: the irl loli posters are visibly more interested in pushing their generally believed to be illegal across the English speaking world fetish (one that has been slowly getting clamped down in Japan too, and a lot of the Japanese presence was due to it not being illegal; CP production was banned in 1999 there and possession in like 2010 lol, but they also have a different definition of CP there too, so anything they do cannot apply to a site that isn't populated by Japanese users or hosted in Japan ) and are surprised and belligerent when there's any push back despite that(for anyone mentioning 2d loli, it is generally believed to be under 1st amendment protection in the US, but the concept of obscenity does make it so that it is theoretically possible to lose a case; state rulings tend towards obscenity, but federal rulings have tended towards it being free speech, all cases I've heard have included IRL children alongside 2d loli media; things vary across Europe but enforcement is noted to be low, unlike with 3d loli media)
Since the problem is that the threads were created for unnatural reasons in order to overpopulate /s/ with loli, I think forcing it so that theres only one loli thread on /s/ for the time being could work, since the front page would contain adult stuff too then.Of course the thread could still be "unnaturally" bumped by a single person into the top of the page, but I don't think it'd be pratically different from a natural loli thread by someone who just has a ton of pictures so I don't think it'd be a problem.Also I think it'd improve discussion if each of the three issues (legality issue, spam issue and scaring away users issue) were discussed in separate paragraphs (or bigger partitions of a post if each argument requires multiple paragraphs). I think trying to discuss all three issues at the same time without clear separation clouds judgement.
it's always just NCMEC that's terrorizing the BBSes for being few seconds too late for removing CP, I hope those fags lose their funding!! Anyways, if it ever comes to a point where something needs to be removed to keep Heyuri alive, the choice should be obvious. We're simply not there yet, and we may not ever get there.
Waha should become the Admin already, the last year or so showed that Kaguya is detrimental to the site
>>68188>A. pedos/MAPfags (or anyone else) to use this site for lame interwebs activismThat just seems like a self fulfilling prophecy though.3D loli is viewed as morally wrong by general population --------> they are now associated with annoying activists trying to change society's morals --------> non-annoying people who like it stop displaying it in order to not be associated with annoying activists --------> it now becomes even more closely associated with the annoying activistsand so onIt's like banning the word nigger to prevent appealing to /pol/fags. If something is accepted by people who dislike annoying people, those people won't think they're being appealed to in the first place.
>>68235pls noThe more I lurk, the more I disagree with Waha fundamentally on various issues. Kaguya-hime is superior steel.
this site only works because the staff team are intelligent, earnest people. so picking favorites does no one any good I'm ambivalent on 3d lolis getting banned. I don't like seeing the threads, but I'm not lame enough to want to wholly ban things I don't like. what I do notice, however, is that some anonymous posters are being very dramatic on this board as if they're trying to stir up trouble on purpose. have you tried simply chilling out?
Then why not just have a /closet board that never makes it to the overboard, and only allow 3D loli and other "appalling" stuff in there.So 3D loli posters can keep posting to other who want to view that hobby/fetish, and it wouldn't harass most "normal" users.As a 3D loli poster I either have /b or /s as a choice. In both boards were not welcome to post as we please otherwise we are seen as "wanting to dominate teh board".
>>68245because that doesn't actually solve any of the problems having it causes
>Then why not just have a /closet board that never makes it to the overboard, and only allow 3D loli and other "appalling" stuff in there.It not being a solution aside, way too risky legally. Maybe if someone opens a TOR sister site to Heyuri...
>>68246It solves the spam/overwhelming the front page problem which is how this conversation started in the first place.It also solves the scaring away users problem which was talked about at some point, since they wouldn't see it.Saying it doesn't solve any of the problems is just wrong.
oh it's this thread again
>>68264why did you bump it
I'm now deeply sad seeing how this ended in plain discrimination. That weird indignant sockpuppet of an OP, coming right in time with his imitation democracy. I also realized that this "SFW doesn't play into Heyuri's moderation at all" probably mean you would be AS'ing any thread about it, even it being completely safe. Can you please remove the humiliating AS from https://img.heyuri.net/s/koko.php?res=572 in exchange of deleting the last 2 posts?"Just choose a side and stick to it." is probably right, it's better than this "second-class citizenship" system.Little girls' beauty captured in a photo is the only light in our lives.
All this arguing about what is or isn't legal under US laws, why not host Heyuri in a less gay country like Japan? Futaba allows AI-generated 3D lolis doing very naughty things: https://dec.2chan.net/85/res/99757.htm>Maybe if someone opens a TOR sister site to HeyuriThere are already multiple tor imageboards for sharing cat pictures
Cuz Japan is way stricter in other areas like copyright/piracy, genital nudity, slander, etc.
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