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No.61858
I believe this has brought up enough times to have a separate discussion for.
First, a little Heyuri history: >>61043
When kuz was still the admin, our moderation (me) always had to follow a set of written rules for my actions. It's not because he wasn't trusting in my verdicts, but wanted users to have a reference of "not to do"s so they wouldn't end up receiving a warn/ban despite trying to follow rules. So he gave me permission to modify the rules (by this time, I was responsible for almost all moderation actions anyway) as I wanted. I then edited the rules in a way that allowed me to act by "tips" page when I wanted, while modifying it as well.

Since then, kuz resigned and entrusted me with Heyuri. I didn't do any major changes (...I think?) afterwards, but my approach to moderation isn't strictly by written rules.... There is no point in explaining our moderation in depth, now so I will keep it short: I am for modifying the tips page smile

Starting by the very old "TOP TIPS" part:
I think this part was just put up when kuz was having fun lol, but there are two points I can slightly disagree with:
>OLDER IS BETTER, OLD GIFS, OLD ANIME, OLD IMAGE MACROS, OLD EVERYTHING. USE THEM HERE!
Anyone can understand they are more than welcome to post about old stuff on Heyuri just by lurking a little, but telling it this way may make newcomers mistaken Heyuri for some kind of a retirement house rather than a website for creating tons of new stuff.
>PROTECT YOUR NAME, USE A TRIPCODE!
People can use tripcode if they want to, but trolls who try to impersonate users will probably end up getting banned anyways nyaoo-closedeyes

The rest of that part is just fun

Moving on to "How to use Heyuri (for dummies)" part:
While one may agree with what's written, the long explanation about what Heyuri is about is redundant and I believe it was put there because Heyuri was constantly called as "oldfag circlejerk" by some groups. Of course, putting that up didn't solve that...
Anyways, coming to "HEYURI-TANS RAZOR V2!", it was originally written by kuz and I later heavily modified it. I believe everything I wrote there is applicable (except 8th point about ２ちゃん perhaps, pirated stuff shouldn't be uploaded there apparently but that's another story)
If you are curious about my reasoning, I explained them at the post I linked to above too.

BUTT!!!

Now I am open to change the page and perhaps move some points to FAQ or elsewhere.
I could either
- Remove the rest of the page, only keep the 8 points, and change Rule 10 to something like "These are all the rules. Now you may want to take a look at some of our tips"
- Remove all the page, merge some of the 8 points (namely 1, 2, and 7) into our FAQ.
- Whatever u guys suggest rolleyes
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No.61859
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I think the tips page should be left as is, it has charm to it. Stuff like "don't quote the OP" adds a grain of salt (a very small one) to the site's culture and style, while still being completely optional.
Any discussion regarding the tips page can be solved with "Those aren't rules, follow them if you want". The most serious thing in that page talks about not using nu-4chan lingo, but that's covered by rule 8 anyways. The tips page can only become a relevant point of frequent debate if the userbase becomes whiny, bitchy, and forgets what this place is all about in general. Although at that point we'd have a bigger problem than what's written on the tips page
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No.61860
my suggestions for this site:
- no captcha (it kills any website)
- no mass replying
- maybe a tech board now that lainchan has went to soykaff?

daz it, xoxo
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No.61861
>>61860
correction: kills the website **for me** lol
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No.61862
I agree with 61859-San. Tips page looks fine.
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No.61863
here's another tip: a list of most recent posts. what do u think?
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No.61864
site-wite, i mean
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No.61865
I stand by what I said back in teh January thread - I think the 1st half is funny as a tongue-in-cheek "TOP TIPS" thing, but IMHO the 2nd half takes itself too seriously and the "do/don't" way it's written makes it sound liek they're rule rather than optional tips/suggestions (which is how the page was original promoted) dark

Ultimately I think Heyuri was better off when we didn't have the page, and DEFINITELY better off before the second half was added (though it's not quite as egregious since the kaguya edits), but if we do decide to keep it then I think Rule 10 (as in the actual Rule 10) has to have the st00pid "you may get warned (or possibly banned in case you insist) if you break them" line removed/altered

>>61863
It's an idea so good that we used to have it (/all/ AKA Overboard), until one day we changed board software and never got it back... dark
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No.61866
>>61865
it shouldn't be hard to implement
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No.61867
>it shouldn't be hard to implement
It's a little hard when Heyuri developers == 0, and the sauce for the board software is currently locked away somewhere deep in the bowels of kuz's lair sweat2
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No.61868
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>- Remove the rest of the page, only keep the 8 points, and change Rule 10 to something like "These are all the rules. Now you may want to take a look at some of our tips"

I agree with this option. Also let users continue to self-moderate the thread etiquette. Maybe add an addendum to that actually; I noticed recent posts (>>26805 lol) that go about reminding of these tips in the wrong way. Pic related is a good example of what I mean: top post is a mood-killer to the thread and sounds like a cop reading a drunk driver his miranda rights. sad Bottom post on the other hand is joking and ties into the topic of the thread. happy

Maybe ban users who have a stick up their ass about etiquette reminder? I'd also put my tinfoil hat on and speculate that this new string of copypasta of the tips is a form of spam or perhaps a troll ph34r, but I have no evidence to back up my crackpipe conspiracy theory.
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No.61869
I DONT LIKE CHANGE!
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No.61870
>>61868
that guy doing that is annoying, if someone op quote links then it is a great way to tell who hasn't lurked enough or just never noticed the etiquette, people should make fun of them for it in a funny way not linking the tips page every single time...
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No.61871
We should lynch OP quote linkers, that would be a funny punishment haha
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No.61872
>I'd also put my tinfoil hat on and speculate that this new string of copypasta of the tips is a form of spam or perhaps a troll, but I have no evidence to back up my crackpipe conspiracy theory.
They all came from the same or similar IPs which haven't posted anything besides those ">Do not link to the OP [etc]" posts in the last few days, so u mite b rite unsure
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No.61873
>>61872
Maybe he’s trying to prove a point or something?
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No.61874
>>61873
He proved that humorless post policing sux biggrin
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No.61875
I did a light change/removal on tips page based on your suggestions. Also changed Rule 10 as I wrote in OP. It's not actually a rule like this, but it shouldn't matter for anyone nyaoo

>>61859
>Any discussion regarding the tips page can be solved with "Those aren't rules, follow them if you want".
I reworded and added this. I don't want to sound like they are too optional except stuff like using stuff like sage, but made it obvious they aren't actual rulez now
(this doesn't mean we won't ever act on them though, especially the 5th and 7th points nyaoo-closedeyes)

>>61868
>Pic related is a good example of what I mean: top post is a mood-killer to the thread and sounds like a cop reading a drunk driver his miranda rights. Bottom post on the other hand is joking and ties into the topic of the thread.
>>61870
>people should make fun of them for it in a funny way not linking the tips page every single time
I agree with these happy

>>61860
I won't reply to all since it's not on-topic for the thread, but whenever we have a tech board it ends up dead... You are free to create tech threads on /lounge/ if you want to
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No.61876
I still think it'd be better to just absorb 5 & 7 into Rule 8 and nuke the rest - most of it is totally unnecessary, and all the additional anal-retentive minutia regarding how a user posts and how they format their posts should be totally up to the user as long as it's in keeping with the global/board rules

Variety makes Heyuri more colorful and interesting, and I think that page's existence inspires those who don't know better to become boring clones of each other. I believe it's better that we discuss things as users and let opinions and good arguments for/against these types of things form naturally rather than have the admin state "this is how things are done on Heyuri, I suggest you do the same" - especially when it's stuff that nobody mentioned or gave a crap about before 2021-2022 dark

And I'm saying that as the fag that originally brought up half the things on that page in various off-handed replies to inquisitive users about how things used to be VS how they are now in the first place. I never intended to inspire some n00bs to become the freaking "newfag police", which is way worse and more annoying than all those other things sweat3
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No.61877
>>61876
>become boring clones of each other
I’m not sure if this applies, but I can agree on this. All the replies on “what it means to be an heyurian” all include yotsuba emojis…
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No.61878
I noticed that quick archiving ph34r

As suggested on OP post, I could just remove the page too. It's easy to merge 5th point to R8c, and I can create a R8e for greentext. Are there any objections to this?

>I believe it's better that we discuss things as users and let opinions and good arguments for/against these types of things form naturally rather than have the admin state "this is how things are done on Heyuri, I suggest you do the same"
I agree, but those tips aren't exactly my personal suggestions or only stuff you once talked about either... I believe majority of Heyurizens was already supporting what I wrote when I edited the page
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No.61879
>>61875
what about mass replying? like this:
>>61875
>>61875
>>61875
>>61875
>>61875
>>61875
>>61875
>>61875
>>61875
>>61875
>>61875
>>61875
>>61875
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No.61880
>>61879
Why would you need to do that? If you need to quote everyone in a thread, you may as well not quote anyone and you would still be addressing to everyone.
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No.61881
>>61880
its one of my pet peeves. happens a lot on 4shit
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No.61882
>>61881
It's too easy to guess ur tripcode..
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No.61883
thats pretty cool, how did u do it?
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No.61884
>>61882
try this one, bby
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No.61885
is it perl's crypt()? LOL thats weak
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No.61886
>>61883
It wasn't any wizardry, I just put it into a search engine and saw it was being used on 2ch's flash related boards in 2000s sweat2
If one is using a tripcode that was used by others before, the password is usually an all lowercase word
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No.61887
>>61886
holy shit, yeah.
>https://raw.githubusercontent.com/KenanY/tripcode/master/test/fixtures/tripcodes.txt

since it was a single word, i thought you tried to bruteforce using perl.

hey admin, which function/algo do u use?
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No.61888
>>61878
>I noticed that quick archiving
wink

>As suggested on OP post, I could just remove the page too. It's easy to merge 5th point to R8c, and I can create a R8e for greentext. Are there any objections to this?
I support it!

>I agree, but those tips aren't exactly my personal suggestions or only stuff you once talked about either... I believe majority of Heyurizens was already supporting what I wrote when I edited the page
All but 2, 6, and 8 were inspired by things I'd posted before prior to those topics ever being brought up or mentioned on Heyuri, plus that page had already been up for a year by the time you originally edited it, so its influence was already in effect

There will be a bias amongst the current userbase in favor of what's written there as a lot of newer users will have read it, assumed we actually cared about any of it, and either adopted it into their posting habits (either cuz they agreed or were just avoiding getting warned/banned like the edited version implied they would), or thought "WTF is this crap? o_O" and left

Trooth is, even if there's something that "everyone" is doing (which isn't the case here, hence teh thread), that doesn't mean it needs to be written down and formalized into a rule/suggestion - formalizing such trivial "rules" serves no purpose besides creating friction where there previously was none, and making the place seem Serious Business. If there's a case to be made against something that's being posted, users can bring it up themselves in a reasonable non-spammy manner (preferably on /q/), and other users can decide for themselves if they want to modify their posting habits or reply with "kthxbye" and carry on as they were biggrin

>>61879
Only reason to get annoyed with mass repliers on other imageboards (when it's to many different posts in a thread) is cuz doing so will attach quote backlinks to every single one of those posts, making long threads difficult to navigate. Many 4chan trolls abuse it for attention in recent years, but even putting aside the fact nobody does it here, kuz disabled quote backlinks on Heyuri for performance reasons a few months back - so unless someone is flooding a thread/board with it (and flooding is already against teh rules), it's a non-issue smile
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No.61889
>>61888
>Trooth is, even if there's something that "everyone" is doing (which isn't the case here, hence teh thread), that doesn't mean it needs to be written down and formalized into a rule/suggestion - formalizing such trivial "rules" serves no purpose besides creating friction where there previously was none, and making the place seem Serious Business. If there's a case to be made against something that's being posted, users can bring it up themselves in a reasonable non-spammy manner (preferably on /q/), and other users

i agree, also nice trips
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No.61890
>>61887
https://trip-table.kokage.cc/
This is a better if you want to test if tripcodes broken
We have a salt like all imageboards, you can use ## if you want have a "secure tripcode" that can't be broken

>>61888
>All but 2, 6, and 8 were inspired by things I'd posted before prior to those topics ever being brought up or mentioned on Heyuri
I don't deny they were inspired by your posts... Also I think the 4th one about emotes is just something I came up with.
>Trooth is, even if there's something that "everyone" is doing (which isn't the case here, hence teh thread), that doesn't mean it needs to be written down and formalized into a rule/suggestion
I could agree with this, but it means that probably nothing will change in practice. I don't think anyone had any real issues with the content of tips, even the reason why this thread exists is because an anon suggested to "let it flow".
Anyways, I did the removal now. Don't consider this the final decision just yet, you can still argue if you have objections and we may find a better solution until.. let's say say 20 November, because I don't want to have this discussion going on forevar either
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No.61891
>Anyways, I did the removal now
I think it's for the best, though we'll have to see how it goes. Thx kaguya!

>it means that probably nothing will change in practice. I don't think anyone had any real issues with the content of tips
I had real issues with the content of the tips!! (mainly the 2nd half, as previously stated)

I'm repeating myself, but you can't just take current Heyuri users into account - many of them arrived here post-January 2022 (some of them having never even used another imageboard before, so they have very different expectations and tolerances), and they made their choice to stay here after that page already existed. Current users are therefore very likely to be more accepting of it, because everyone who might have had a problem with it would have decided not to become a user!

Rather than just considering current users, you have to consider potential users too - particularly older imageboard users who would likely have a great time here, and would be a great influence and boon to the site. Based on discussions outside of Heyuri that I'm sure you've seen, there's good reason to believe that there are those who were once interested in frequenting Heyuri, perhaps saw the likes of the netiquette/tips page and thought it seemed like Heyuri's admin/mods were way too controlling/overbearing and attempting to "force" a culture (which is how that page always looked to me, for one), and chose to leave Heyuri on that basis. That would be a serious shame, especially considering that almost everything on that page was never actually taken into account when moderating sweat2
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No.61892
im curious, how many users per day do we get on average here?
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No.61893
>im curious, how many users per day do we get on average here?
Purely looking at the number of unique IPs on /b/ over the past week (with each "day" being the past 24hrs starting from now-ish), these are teh stats:

2022/11/17 - 26
2022/11/16 - 24
2022/11/15 - 10
2022/11/14 - 26
2022/11/13 - 18
2022/11/12 - 22
2022/11/11 - 22
Average - 21
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No.61894
*Clarification: that's unique IPs that have posted to /b/, not including lurkers
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No.61895
>>61893
Very cozy stats. Slow, but cozy ヽ(´∇`)ノ
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No.61896
Another interesting stat is the total number of unique IPs that posted to /b/ over the course of the past week: 96! sweat

Of course, a percentage of that is going to be VPNs and dynamic IPs, but it's still a pretty big number!
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No.61897
>>61893
those are numbers are perfectly good on my book. im liking this bbs more and more
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No.61898
>>61896
Any idea what the highest activity of the tear was? Or at least the past 6 months or so?
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No.61899
>Any idea what the highest activity of the tear was? Or at least the past 6 months or so?
Nope - regarding IPs, I can only look back at posts that are still live on the board, and /b/ currently only goes back about 2 weeks sweat2

Best I could do is calculate the average posts per day using post numbers & dates found in whatever archives and screencaps have been made, plus whatever I happen to have written down from previous calculations
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No.61900
>>61886
secure tripcodes are for jerks
picking an insecure tripcode and awaiting the day some troll abuses it and hurts your reputation is fun, it's like a bomb waiting to blow and you never know when it might hit
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