I'd rather have a PC with 8GB of RAM than a mac with 64GB (unless the SSD can be wiped and macOS replaced with a good OS)

8 GB is the new normal thanks to the AI datacenter RAM crisis.

Applefigs solder it to the board and same with hard drive, want 8 more gbs of ddr3? Pay 350$ extra! Want 512gb ssd instead of 256? That will be 300$ extra, CPU upgrade is DAME, GPU upgrade is DAME, you want better CPU then buy another one for 2000$
They have just a little more support than linux, all you can do is use limited apps from walled garden shop or just use a browser
You dare fix your own device - brick award just because and 300$ for a simple screen fix taking them 15 minutes
About as much tracking as whatsapp or snapchat baked into the system
Scanning your files (either is or was the case) and probably training AI from it (i would not be surprised)
They keep your private keys just in case police wanna take a look because apple prioritizes safety of your files or something
On top of that garbage no source code (possibly a botnet, worldwide RATting, and cryptominers)

I hate it all so much why is apple even alive?
They are just as anti consumer as microsoft or facebook but many people think it is premium why why
Most morons who buy apple are worse than old people at tech and they might be trying to pay instead of training braincells
I had one lecturer using mac and the fig struggled to download and open a pdf

>>175216
Choice 1: get U-DIMM (PC format) DDR5 RAM for 400$
Choice 2: Get SO-DIMM (laptop format) to U-DIMM adapter from china for 8$ and get the same amount, same frequency, same size RAM for laptops for 100$
Laptop RAM is cheap as hell, Apple just taxes to have a profit margin of about 500%

>>175216
I will be getting 1x16gbs of 5200mhz ram for 90$

>>175217
wiser words have not been said

>>175215
i owned a macbook for a decade, and i recently switched back to windows 11. Its worst operative system i ever used, its so slow, its buggy, it has bloatwear and werid popups. Its 100% trash. I cant even customize it as i want. I only used it as for teh moment as i want to play a certain online game.

>>175230
https://massgrave.dev/
get windows 10 enterprise or LTSC and https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

The new macbook is 8gb ram because it is an iphone inside of a laptop shell, it is an SOC so no upgrades besides storage.
this is the apple chrome book equivalent but a billion times more useful because apple DOES give a shit about the software and UX.

Yes, and price is only 599usd which is really cheap for a macbook.

>>175274
Thanks, but I am planing to dual both Arch / Windows. I just used Win11 as i want to play bf6 which isnt supported on Linux.

>>175274
Most software and games doesnt support LTSC anymore and nothing will in a few more years

>>175295
for example?

>>175296
Adobe suite

>>175302
only the non pirated versions lol

>>175286
Please use windows on one disk and linux on another
Windows fucks up bootloader too often for no reason
Save yourself anger and use two separate disks and swap them as needed, select which device to boot with some F9 or something key - it acts like a bootloader anyway

>>175323
>>175286
Also physically remove the drives when changing between windows and linux. I wouldn't be surprised if windows adds ext4 support just so they can read linux installs

ｷﾀ━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━!!

>>175217
Have you considered that X11 is a joke and Wayland still isn't as good as enough as macOS' compositor (getting there though)?

macOS is the only desktop operating system with sane HDR support + documentation, there are entire fields of work that are terrible experiences on Linux/Winshit

>>175336
who actually gives a shit about HDR though

everyone who isnt poor!

>>175352
Photographers, cinematographers, photo editors, VFX artists, videographers, video game developers, speaking as someone of that sort who exclusively uses Linux and has to suffer with Wayland taking too long to implement things because I'd rather cut my dick off than use anything proprietary.

Also, it's not just HDR, it's all colour management, nothing to this date comes close to macOS.

Consider some people aren't living in their parents basement with a T480, a shitty unusable distro in a production environment like Artix or Gentoo who exclusively uses it to play loli VNs all day - some of us both champion open source software and love Richard Stallman but can also recognise that it just isn't there whatsoever in many many fields of desktop workstation use.

>>175378
>Photographers, cinematographers, photo editors, VFX artists, videographers,
None of these people use free software, never will and don't know or care what X11/Wayland is. So nobody cares about HDR and color management, thanks for answering my question. The rest is incoherent mentally ill babble.

>>175324
reading stuff like this just saps the life out of me
I am dual booting windows not because i want to but because my brothers want to play their stupid games and now you present to me the possibility of windows invading my privacy this way? at least when they did it on their own os it was semi-legal due to their terms of service and whatnot but this would definitely be a breach of privacy since its a different os wouldn't it?

a little tangent but 2 days ago i had a nightmare that one of my brothers downloaded a virus on windows and tried to reinstall it without me knowing so he wouldn't make me mad, but him being absolutely ignorant about computers overwrote my linux partition, deleting 10 years worth of projects, pictures, flash files, etc... and when i found out i was so beside me with anger i couldn't even speak and everyone around me kept saying "its no big deal, you can just make that stuff again"
long story short that gave me paranoia that one day they might actually do something like this and thus i am looking for more storage to backup my stuff

>>175378
I am all of those things listed and I never use hdr. I don't like that every single piece of software has its own unique way of interpreting hdr, and even worse is the awful HDR to SDR conversion for non hdr displays.
It is still going to be decades till hdr is standardized across everything and when that happens 99% of all media will still be in 8bit video range SRGB/rec709, and look perfectly fine.
Right now HDR exists exclusively to make ads brighter on your phone screen.
Also I think xlibre has fixed most of the problems with color that gayland still has, but nothing beats mac os for real HDR work.

hdr is awzum in gaems!

now you have to pay to see a full review in rtings

anyways hdr is only good in high contrast ratio panels or oled displays.

>>175324
You could fix this with luks encryption right?

>>175432
what if they download your luks header and uuid of disk to decrypt it when quantum computers are ready and store for later use?

>>175352
I use HDR on Wayland+KDE on an oled TV and it works pretty well. Things have come a long way in the past few years. It's at least as good as W11s implementation if not better. You're probably right though that the vast majority of people don't care about it or even realize that their device already supports it. Pretty much any device with a screen made in the last 6 years already does HDR.

>>175388
>None of these people use free software, never will and don't know or care what X11/Wayland is.
Huh. Funny, last I checked half of Hollywood's last 20 years of production was done on Linux boxes & Linux renderfarms. That's literally how James Cameron made Avatar, on machines with KDE 4. But please go on with worshipping Micro$oft and proprietary technology.

>>175410
You're right that HDR is a problem, but macOS has the only thing close to a standard.
Xlibre has fixed nothing, it's a broken mess made by a schizophrenic with narcissist issues who believes he's the second coming of Jesus because Red Hat is coming after him for maintaining a different open source project. And it can't fix anything anyways because the X11 codebase is unreadable & unmaintainable spaghetti on the level of a COBOL library used in a bank that hasn't replaced its computers since 1979.

>>175461
Windows 11 is a special type of bad when it comes to display anything, I'm not gonna argue that, there's no practical reason to use Windows anymore. I was talking about macOS though - which is undoubtedly superior.

>>175472
>I was talking about macOS though - which is undoubtedly superior.
Oh word, sorry I didn't really read the reply chain. I use a Mac at work for photo editing stuff and macOS being the best at handling HDR is just a fact. The only people that would argue are those that haven't used it (tbf it's hard to justify a ~3000k computer unless you need it for work). The ability to lock the monitor to D65 160 nits or something for web editing and have it simultaneously display HDR content up to 1600 nits is simply on an entirely different level. Just out of curiosity, what scanner software are you using on macOS?

>>175489
>what scanner software are you using on macOS?
I don't use macOS, I use Linux
Though I can realise the superiority of proprietary software in many areas, I wouldn't use myself.

It's all fun criticizing it, but I got no money for upgrades anyway (´～`) My setup is more than 10 years old now, because it wasn't the top even then. Not on Apple though... just complaining here in this thread.

>>175472
>That's literally how James Cameron made Avatar
and that was 17 years ago, without HDR. If HDR is oh so important and totally not a nitpick gimmick that nobody cares about, then all of those people mentioned earlier are not using free software. Also saying I worship microsoft and then calling Enrico schizophrenic is very ironic and makes you look silly.

>>175582
>and that was 17 years ago, without HDR
And they're still doing it now. With HDR. The industry runs on free software.
I don't mean Enrico is schizophrenic as an insult, I truly believe he is schizophrenic, the way he conducts himself and everything he says seems to suggest that he has delusions of grandeur, he genuinely believes to be doing something so important it makes him better than the rest of us, I hope he gets better. And I hope he stops wasting time on the joke that is Xlibre, the guy can't even do basic maths - the GitHub issue discussion threads are very telling.

>>175603
I know you didn't mean it as an insult but I have no idea where you got microsoft worshipping from. Also yeah, I don't have much hope for XLibre either. Even if he were sane, that bloated mess is still too much for one person to maintain. An X server rewrite like Phoenix sounds more realistic and I hope it goes somewhere.

>>175640
>I have no idea where you got microsoft worshipping from
I can't think of any reason to downplay free software by saying "noone cares about what X11/Wayland is" unless they have a sexual attraction to Bill Gates.

>An X server rewrite like Phoenix sounds more realistic and I hope it goes somewhere.
Meh, if we keep rewriting display servers we will never get anywhere.
https://wayland.fyi/ is a much more rational option, it strives to make "Suckless Wayland" a reality, as a drop-in replacement for Xorg.

wtf is hdr?

Huge Dick Radius

>>175472
idk sounds like you have a personal problem, xlibre is one of the only things on linux that semms to just werk these days. Can you explain why you think it is a "broken mess"?

8 gay boys per mac you say?

>>175695
>Can you explain why you think it is a "broken mess"?
Xlibre is not specifically a broken mess, X11 is a broken mess, and Xlibre - by inheriting X11's codebase, is by extension a broken mess.
And in the project's heyday, the Xlibre repository accepted 1200+ commits without any testing procedure; these folks aren't trustworthy enough to give your computer root access to.

>>175739
Besides... Linux is one of the most stable and reliable operating systems around, if an X11 work is the "only thing that seems to werk these days" then it appeals to me that the issue is not my personal problem but your inability to work a computer ヽ(´ー｀)ノ
Millions of us use Linux on the desktop "these days" and everything works fine.