Never obsolete/10

needs moar computer

wtf is "funzug.com" ? LOL

'member when compoopers and compooper accessories were that big?

>>158198
They're bigger now. Imagine how big your compooper needs to be to shove these graphics cards in along with a huge heatsink or liquid cooling block to keep your 5.5+ GHz CPU from melting.

>>158199
https://www.reddit.com/r/PcBuild/comments/1kmc901/a_lot_of_power_in_a_tiny_case_rtx_5090_9800x3d/

seems like modern PCs with an ITX motherboard are still about as big as a mainstream console... and this build has AMD's fastest consumer CPU, so, I don't think you need a huge computer.

>>158673
if it can't fit a good CPU cooler like this (or a huge liquid cooling block) along with at least one gigantic graphics card and lots of 120mm case fans then the processing speed will be crippled by poor cooling, may as well just use a laptop or SBC if it needs to be small

>>158686
yea except this makes no sense at all, OP in that post said his CPU never hit thermal bottleneck, all he did was apply a no-performance loss undervolt and he was chillin'

any tiny copper low-profile cooler like an AXP90-X47 FC will be able to sustain a beefy high-cache count 8 or 12-core processor like the 9800X3D up to 130W~ without any thermal bottleneck, so the "performance bottleneck" is literally non-measurable
mind you we are talking about some of the fastest if not the fastest CPUs above 6 cores right now, if you need more than this you're probably thinking about building a workstation in which case size is likely something of no concern here (as has been the norm since the 1980s, have you ever seen a small Silicon Graphics workstation? workstations are rarely small.)


the only time you'd need a "water block" (you don't, an AIO is fine, waterblocks are for schizophrenics and XOCers, and I don't differentiate between schizophrenics and XOCers) is if you're getting a CPU like the 9950X3D which can boost up to 220W~, and even then - there's still tiny miniITX cases that support AIOs, and you wouldn't need more than a small midrange 240mm AIO like the NZXT Kraken stuff, and those are shit AIOs, you can go even smaller if you want

regardless, an RTX 5090 + Ryzen 9 9950X3D setup (essentially the fastest consumer computer you could build right now in terms of hardware latency) can be made to be effectively smaller than an office Dell OptiPlex, and it will operate at stock without any problems with thermals.

>>158694
Undervolting isn't any less "schizophrenic" than overclocking, and with poor cooling you can't overclock nearly as much which means your PC is much slower than it could be. Mini PCs are just gay unless you live in a van or attend LAN parties every week or something.

>>158701
it seems you're an oldfag who hasn't kept up with the times... anon-san

overclocking has been dead for 7 years, there's no point in doing it anymore, the average CPU's stock boost curve can reach 6GHz+, there's a reason just about every business related to overclocking or cherrypicking CPU SKUs has gone out of business, it's literally of no use, if you're EXTREMELY lucky you might get... 5% more performance? at a 50W+ increase, it's inefficient as all hell, and mind you, you need a golden die for this kind of OC gain

on the other hand, undervolting isn't schizophrenic, because it's a real tangible performance gain which makes your system run cooler and quieter, for whatever reason, all CPU manufacturers (even the ARM people) have been overvolting CPUs out of box, just enough for it to edge on stability (Intel ended up regretting this with the 13th stability issues)

its especially bad on laptops, where you can shave off 30-50W of unneeded power consumption and gain 7% performance for free by setting your own CPU states in XTU or ThrottleStop, on desktop, the performance gains are minimal, but you can still shave off up to 100W~ with no measurable impact on performance with the higher-end NVIDIA cards

>>158704
just googling, some guy managed to hit 5900MHz on a 9950X by just setting a different performance profile in the BIOS and using an off-the-shelf EK watercooler and fucking around with the individual CCDs, and the performance gain was pretty much still "meh"

OCing as we know it, is kind've redundant now

>>158704
Maybe, 2018 feels like just a couple years ago. Smaller fans are always going to make a more annoying high pitch noise than bigger fans though, especially if they need to spin faster. You also can't fit dozens of HDDs and SSDs in a mini PC so no matter how you look at it bigger PCs are always better.

>>158710
you have a point with the noise and hard-drives, however, with contemporary Noctua fans, PCs are honestly quite silent these days, virtually unhearable @ load if you put it under the desk instead of besides the monitor... and most people who need more than the 32TB of SSD that two NVMe slots affords you on a miniITX motherboard are probably going to be running a separate NAS machine somewhere in the room with FreeBSD and a ZFS pool in RAID set up with all the hard-drives you could want

PC building back in 2018 was something else entirely, you were entirely justified for de-lidding a 7900X and running a ridiculous OC if you could afford it back then, because it got you visibly better performance, and back then RTX 20-series had only just released and you were able to run pretty much any game out with a GTX 1050 purely because of the fact that DirectX 12 & modern Vulkan hadn't raped Pascal yet

PCs in 2025 are a different beast entirely, you can't even depend on JEDEC standards for RAM OC anymore

protip: mount your gaming rig outside of your home in the winter to keep it even cooler

>>158736
why would someone do this

my oneechan got a new pc and it had like 10 fans in it.

>>158736
That wailing...

>>158804
from the agony of hearing his new $10k gaming PC smash on the concrete