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Bunkasai 2025 reminder - happening on 2025/11/02 (Sun)!
Check the details at: [Thread]


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Monero in 2025 by a NEWB for NEWBZ!

Using Retoswap (Also known as Haveno) - you do not need anything else.
It might look like a lot, but it feels natural once you install it and check it out.
If you do not care enough to use it - just read the bold text for a general idea and what to watch out for.

Retoswap/Haveno is a fork of Bisq. If you are familiar with Bisq - you also know how Retoswap will work.

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1. Download the Retoswap client. It is available as a flatpak if you don't want to compile it. I was lazy and used a flatpak. Their website got everything.
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2. It automatically connects you into their p2p network. Be patient, it boots up a bit. If you have a local node present and running it automatically switches to it even if you start the node at any time - it switches once it detects it. Otherwise it uses public Monero nodes preferably through TOR. Full list of default nodes is listed in settings. Peers do not know your IP because interactions are routed through TOR by default. This is the loading screen.
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3. Once it is up and running set up your "traditional" method of payment - that is your method of paying fiat. (Look up what is visible to the receiver when you make a fiat transfer if you want to make sure you include all identifying information that the seller needs. The info you put into your autodeclarative "traditional" method will be signed cryptographically and you can't alter it mid-trade even if you made a mistake!
[CAUTION] Provide the necessary information in your fiat method, otherwise you might risk losing money in a dispute. Pointless risk because of some 20 keystrokes of info you did not fill properly as you should have.
[CAUTION] Do not add anything in the transfer title/reason field unless asked for it. It is good manners for privacy and anonymity of the true reason for the fiat transfer for both of you!
[TIP]You cannot even engage at all with a listing if you had not added the payment method that the listing requires - so do not be scared if it errors. Trades that you can engage in would be listed with a white text. Trades you can't engage in would be in gray. (Assuming you use dark mode).
[INFO] They have a TON of options. Including by mail, face to face, giftcards and whatnot! Actually whatever you imagine. If you want to make sure your fiat currency payment method of preference is available - ask me and I will check.
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4. [b][OPTIONAL] Open the tab with Monero wallet that Retoswap generated for you and its seed and save it somewhere if your computer/memory breaks. There they present you with a 25 word seed + date for your base wallet within Retoswap client. Might be useful.

[CAUTION] If you have Monero lying around in the wallets within the Retoswap client - either move the money to a wallet you control OR back up the whole Retoswap client with the "backup" button within it if your disk died. In such case it would be quite possibly unrecoverable. The faster you grab your Monero the better in general. Even regarding your main wallet that you personally control - secure it with a backup and a very long password![/b]
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5. Now that you have a payment method set up - you can pick a trade you want from the list. Or make a new trade listing yourself. I will describe taking an offer, fiat to Monero.
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[CAUTION] Most trades require you to have a bit of Monero beforehand for a temporary insurance deposit! (So that no party pussies out after opening a trade or the trade takes too long.)
Quitting a trade midway is very bothersome and Retoswap limits new people with time and mandates completing the trade within 4 days. 4 days is a long time and you will manage!

[CAUTION] Look up holidays in your and their country to avoid disputes later so that there is no 4 days in a row when somebody's bank does not process transfers - depends on your method but still keep it in mind. Past 4 days they can unilaterally just take your deposit (I think).

For a typical insurance deposit (or whatever the appropriate name is) they demand is 15% of the sum you wanna buy. Usually between 10% and 25%. So assuming the most common is 15% - you would have to deposit 0.15 Monero if you want to buy 1.00 and only then pay the full price of that 1.00 Monero. After both sides confirm the trade went good - the insurance deposit is returned to both of you. That is how it is.

So assuming you have no Monero at the moment - this standard is NOT YET unavailable for you. Luckily there is a panel saying "No deposits" where you can find people who list offers for newbs but they are few and expensive. It it is something you need to do once in your lifetime assuming you do not blow it instantly on drugs and gotta buy Monero from 0.00 again XD. I bought just below 0.25 Monero for my first time from some german Julian via Wise with euros (assuming it was not registered on fake documents). Thank you Julian. I paid quickly, 2 minutes and the guy got the money. Once he confirmed everything is ok it took him 2 minutes to send me Monero. Simple.


[NOTE] Do not fear giving your real email and your real life name or whatever else you need to fill up to the dude. It is p2p - they don't care and don't record it the same way you don't care what their name is. If you don't do it properly you might have a hard time proving before mediators that you indeed paid your part if you had any troubles.
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6. After opening the trade there are esseintally 4 steps!

a) You need to wait for 10 confirmations on the blockchain (I think the seller drops the whole sum of Monero onto a temporary wallet)
b) You are presented with credentials of the guy and you need to pay him the set amount with set method and set account the fiat money. (I used Wise and I just got his e-mail, it was sufficient) Then you press "I made my payment" thingy after it goes through (to probably notify him that he gotta release Monero after confirming a successful transfer).
c) Then the trader confirms he received his money properly and you get Monero
d) After the trade you again need to wait for at least 10 more confirmations on the blockchain now that the Monero is on a wallet that you control within Retoswap.

And you can transfer it to your main wallet. It may take some patience.
The transaction gets logged locally, that is it.
You can look up identification of that transfer from Retoswap to your own on the blockchain, you now own it.
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[EXTRA TIP] Monero is encrypted unlike regular coins. Your Monero might be not visible on your Monero GUI or anything you use for managing it if you use a public node. Get your own node because it is all encrypted. I am having this problem where I got my money confirmed to be lying on my address but until I download the whole blockchain (they say its about 100GB) then I won't see it. What I figured is that due to that encryption your wallet does not know and cannot know it got any money on it unless it brute forces all entries on the blockchain with its keys. Anyone who knows better - correct me, I speculate here.

I am waiting till it downloads.
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By the way I want to remind you that the European Union will prohibit anonymous coins starting in 2027. Including and primarily Monero will be illegal.
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>>158014
Also, a guy in Tampa in Florida wants to sell Monero for 16 USD face to face. Imagine the desperation :xd:
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fuck my wallet was in my old pc (oh well there wasn't anything in it though).
What are your thoughts on Dash.
Recommend any other cryptos.
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>>158052
I have no experience to recommend anything else, this is the first time I buy black market crypto. Monero makes the most sense out of all of them at the moment because it is good in anonymity and it is widely accepted on the TOR. I tried playing with bitcoin and litecoin a few years back but I did not like how transparent and basic it is, Monero can do much more (but I am not sure if there are more options with transparent basic coins like bitcoin that I did not figure out).

What I figured though (to my limited knowledge) is that people do not like selling Monero for other crypto because what is the point? They like to buy Monero but not sell for other crypto. People who like Monero tend to dislike or at least be indifferent to any other currencies.

IMO majority of people who own crypto are the kind that get baited into "investment" promises with a gain and they delisted Monero almost everywhere. I remember that Monero price dip by some 25-30% the day that Binance dropped Monero, I wish I had bought lots of it, I would have triple the money now... Bitcoin for example is an infinite wealth generator due to how it operates and deflation by design, IDK about others because I did not read on anything else. Monero is delisted pretty much everywhere but that just proves it is good for its privacy and anonymity use. I don't buy crypto for gain, but for paying and hiding money :biggrin:

Havent heard much about Dash. My personal and only consideration is whether I can buy Monero or cash with it. If not - then I don't like it. If had to buy regular crypto then it would be in a limited quality for small scale immediate spending and a contained environment like my own node and a VPN or TOR routing - like a bit of litecoin for paying kids 5$ from time to time for accounts or resources :nyaoo-closedeyes:

Few people actually take Monero besides anarchists who mostly stick to the same things and they do not offer "random" things like normies on normie marketplaces where you can find anything imaginable. I would like to buy a new table with Monero but normies don't take it, my dad thought of crypto as some bad thing because they said so on the TV and in mainstream internet articles. I bet most normies think that way, and they would not take it as a payment because of hackers, criminals, evil people, risk of loss of money, mysticism around it, and many just believe that crypto is illegal entirely. And anarchists publically only offer drugs and not much besides them unless you know them in person, due to nature of Monero most are genuine anons and don't seek cooperation - so I don't know any anarchists who use it in person. These guys would sell anything to their pals, but only list drugs for the masses.
I cannot judge on Dash, insufficient knowledge, I am a crypto newb and only focused on Monero, nothing else matters for me
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I am thinking whether I should spread Monero in real life.

I want to make cute Monero banknotes that you could redeem on the blockchain.
Is there a way other than giving the 25 world seed to give someone full access to the wallet? I would want it to be a QR code. One might suggest I make a QR code linking to a website with the 25 word seed but is there an immediate way? I could not find out

The idea is to make a cute banknote and hide the 25 word seed (or ideally a QR code) under a nice holographic sticker in a safe pocket beneath it so that glue would not damage the QR/seed and they could type it in and enjoy crypto. The sticker also would prevent light from piercing through it and revealing the seed and I would also put in a few fake ones so that even if they managed - they would not be able to make out what is written. In order to prevent used notes from further circulation I would use something like gorilla glue to glue the sticker to the note, and I would use two stickers from both sides so that the person needs to heavily damage the note before redeeming to prevent fraud.

I would put declarative value like 0.1, 0.25, 0.5 XMR and I would also use my stamp for the sticker to mark it as note of my production, and I would use a precise pen to scribble over the sticker and paper boundary so that if somebody managed to take out contents without damaging the note somehow - they would not be able to glue the sticker back correctly.

I saw this design and found it very cute, but I cannot find the source
I will imitate the design and add some things, like how to redeem on the back, what to look for in a used note to tell apart unused from used, and some QR code for tutorials how to set up Monero

And also for convenience I could also make that sticker/seed part of the note be easily available to tear off so that people who would want to keep the note without destroying it whole would easily be able to do so

Giving people seeds would be the easiest because they do not have to have Monero software before getting it and they can take their monero out any time
And making notes is even better because other people who would get it from me, would be glad to mark up the price, and keep passing them around in their personal chains of contacts leading to even more spread

Now I'm gonna research what size these notes should be :biggrin:
I'll order prints because my printer is bad, and stickers too
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I installed teh flatpak but when I run Haveno, nothing comes up. What do? :unsure:
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>>158111
IDK. I am not smart.

Do you have flatpak?
flatpak --version

Do you have the swapper installed? Should be listed
flatpak list

Can you run it from teh terminal? Does it log issues?
flatpak run exchange.haveno.Haveno

Permission issue?
flatpak run --filesystem=home exchange.haveno.Haveno

IDK update
flatpak update
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>>158115
Ok, it runs when I open it from the terminal. Thank you. :biggrin:


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