Reddit is also requiring verification for UK users:

>We have tried to do this in a way that protects the privacy of UK redditors. To verify your age, we partner with a trusted third-party provider (Persona) who performs the verification on either an uploaded selfie or a photo of your government ID.

Romania would never introduce such laws. Romania doesn't give a shit. Romanian VPN forever.

>To me, this is the clear start of a slippery slope of internet regulation, surveilance and censorhip.
At this point, it's more of a water slide - and not the fun kind

Note that verification is currently required for "Not Safe for Work" content. Right now this includes porn, explicit gore and the likes.

My question is: What will be deemed NSFW tomorrow? It could be political movements, humor, entire communities of people or any idea the stablishment doesn't want to spread.

The big social media sites already use censorship algorithms based on keyword recognition, and it already has had some measure of effect. Leading to the use of terms like "unalive" or "pdf file" to cover language. Hell, the twitter files (look it up) already show how twitter was used for political manipulation. Not to mention how Twitter was also use in favor of Uber, a corporation (look that up as well)

In short, this is getting pretty fucked up. It would be naive to think that the stuff we know of is the only stuff that is going on behind the scenes, so now imagine when goverments directly have power over what can be on the internet, decision over who gets to see it and knowledge of who is behind the screen

Australia is trying to do a similar thing, but its even worse

>Measures to be deployed by online services could include looking at your account history, or using facial age assurance and bank card checks. Identity checks using IDs such as drivers licences to keep children under 16 off social media will also apply to logged-in accounts for search engines from December, under an industry code that came into force at the end of June.

>The code will require search engines to have age assurance measures for all accounts, and where an account holder is determined to be aged under 18, the search engine would be required to switch on safe search features to filter out content such as pornography from search results.

>>151295
>My question is: What will be deemed NSFW tomorrow? It could be political movements
This isn't a hypothetical anymore, its already happening

>>151293
1. Flag someone as under 18 on purpose
2. Get their personal information
3. ???
4. Profit

>>151297
Hasn't the UK already been arresting and imprisoning people for saying things like "nigger" or "hitler was right" or "the refugees are raping people" for a long time? This seems like a tiny slap on the wrist in comparison.

>This seems like a tiny slap on the wrist in comparison.
It's all bullshit either way. We're getting fucked in the ass, that's the point

The UK isn't even a first-world country at this point, refugees can gang rape children willy nilly and you'll you jailed for merely talking about it.

>>151302
and they can be jailed for looking at drawings of naked children that aren't even being raped in the drawing

>>151291
My, uh, """favorite""" part about reddit is that all drug-related communities are considered 18+... including ones dedicated to breaking addictions. Started drinking too young? Got hooked on the ganj freshman year? Not only can you not get help anonymously, you can't get help at all!

>>151298
oh you accidentally clicked on a mister beast video? you must be a CHILD, prove you arent by letting me scan your face!

This violates deh rules

so i guess we're only 5-10 years away from onion sites being the only actually usable things on the internet

youtube is going to do the same thing in the US... it was only funny when the dirty brits were the ones getting fucked (;´Д`)
It's insulting that they are even trying to justify it as anything more than abusive data collection, youtube has literally been censored to the point of being nothing but a sanitized shit-site for almost a decade now...

youtube is officially dead to me.

>>151311
normally i would agree but this effects us all. ┐(ﾟ～ﾟ )┌ everybody should know...

In 2030, this is what lolis will look like

he could've save you but you didn't listen

it's over.

>he could've save you but you didn't listen
8chan infamously tried ZeroNet (08chan) after they got fucked by CloudFlare, and it was a total disaster with some users getting their IP addresses exposed, unwittingly hosting illegal material (since it's all P2P), and it being easily DoS'd

>>151290
i doubt a similar measure would be impletmented in the usa and the uk gov is stupid.

This is how it'll happen in the US.
The republican will be convinced by the following argument:
Kids are being indoctrinated by transsexuals on discord and reddit and have access to hardcore porn on reddit and discord that aren't affected by broadband filters

The democrats will be convinced by the following argument:
Kids are being taught to objectify women from hardcore porn, and are exposed to right wing extremist content on X and 4chan.

The bi-partisan cherry on top:
AI has become prolific and kids are using it to make deepfakes of their friends moms and to make politicans say awful things!

>>151327
Well, from what i understand a similar law is already on its way there. But even if it wasn't, like i said, social media sites like twitter have already been use for all sorts of shady stuff, must of which will probably never come out to light ヽ(`Д´)ノ

>>151290
>I think it's time to show clear resistance
OP, I don't know about you, but I get the feeling putting up any kind of opposition will get you branded as some kind of derogatory group (e.g. pedo, creep, unethical etc.), which by itself doesn't really do much, but opens you up to doxxing, lynching, torture from the "moral" people/"activists" near you.

I don't know what to do.

>>151328
ive noticed too that a lot of dumb young people advocate for digital ID because they think it will stop the internet from being infested with bots (dead internet theory) I dont think they realize that, but its the conclusion of such a push to prove whos "real" and whos not.

These censorious entities will frame the same push for censorship in different ways for all parties and all affiliations. It truly isnt a polarized issue, like censorship was some years ago.

>>151332
At this level making noise is an important aspect in itself. I made this thread if anything for a discussion to happen here. Worst case scenario is that all these laws pass without anyone batting an eye.
I'm not an activist or anything, but proposing the germ of an idea here can do no harm. especially because we're among the people on the internet that might care the most about this whole issue

>>151329
bills like these have been written before without any resolve to be turn into laws.

>>151309
plz dun use mah face to jerk off to!

I didn't read any of the replies to this post, just butting into say that this is AWESOME because it means the divide between normies and actual internet users will grow. This will end up benefiting the internet by reversing somewhat the process of centralization, as big sites will lose some of their monopoly over certain content. Maybe onionland will see a revival, maybe more forums, more new sites ran by individuals or small groups.

>>151292
Romanian here and this is wrong btw

https://www.senat.ro/legis/lista.aspx?nr_cls=b222&an_cls=2025
https://t.me/Wallachian_Gazette/10236

>>151316
I don't even know how to define the fetish you've just given me. Flesh data corruption? Extreme digital distortion?

There are changes in EU too
Though EU tries all they can to disinform the public on the state of law so that nobody protests like during that copyright tax law, they learned their mistake I assume

I'm quite certain they passed government real life ID app for verifying age to roll out in 2026 and they want to make you tie your account to your government ID whenever a site has any minimum age and I think they postponed the app to july of 2026. I might be disinformed on the topic because it seems it is meant to be secretive.
https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification
https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet
https://ec.europa.eu/digital-building-blocks/sites/display/EUDIGITALIDENTITYWALLET/EU+Digital+Identity+Wallet+Home

I am quite certain they did pass a law allowing AI to scan everything sent over any electronic communication media and autoreport you to the prosecutor before app encrypts it. I think it is meant to start this october.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Combat_Child_Sexual_Abuse
https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/the-eu-could-be-scanning-your-chats-by-october-2025-heres-everything-we-know

The swiss wanna do similar.
China starts looking more and more tame as it keeps up.
It's hard to read EU law because I would estimate it to be easily 1000 times the size of entire bible at this point.

Big darknet and limux exodus? Or a failure?

Just don't be liek MadThad and brag about how you pwn the laws on your facebook and u will probably be fine. It's also not hard to simply not do boring stuff like criticizing your government/police online, and noone will go after u for earning unauthorized access to loli

>>151372
>not do boring stuff like criticizing your government/police online
That's a slippery slope, what constitutes as "criticizing the government" can change with time. And pretty soon the governments will go after things like otaku culture and lolis (they already do) and being against such overreach will be considered "criticizing the government"

This shit is obviously a bad thing with no silver lining whatsoever, so I have no idea why some anons in this thread try to spin it as a good thing

criticizing government and all kinds of pr0nz are long banned in my place, teh former one would get you in jail in a few hours after posting online (given it earns enough attention), yet it's not uncommon that even government trolls are exposed to have browsed pr0nz sites themselves - and nothing happens other than some mockery. I haven't heard of a single person going to jail over ero (other than fringe cases like interpol forcing action for chiyo penguins)
speaking against internet laws could make u seem like a dissident and get you in trouble, silently fapping to rorimanko is not worth for government to spend resources on to catch you - that's my impression at least

>>151374
Better to react to problems when they are still small. People who just fap are under the goverments' radar... for now. It’s naive to think it will stay like this forever

>Better to react to problems when they are still small
True, but...
>It’s naive to think it will stay like this forever
I disagree. Fapping is The Man's destiny, men will inevitably fap to various kinds of ero, you can't control fapping habits of a nation unless you are willing to destroy the economy by jailing half the population.

There would be major terror attacks by horny men & military coups by horny generals before some old politician lady can implement a nation-wide chastity cage program.

>>151374
The issue is the registration part, the whole crusade to protect kid from porn is just given as "the greater good" worth giving up our rights over.

Also, i can't stress enough that this legislation is against all NSFW content, which includes porn and gore, but also discussion over eating disorders or addiction.

>I am quite certain they did pass a law allowing AI to scan everything sent over any electronic communication media and autoreport you to the prosecutor before app encrypts it
There's actually precedent of something similar happening in the early days of the internet.

Here's a quote from the book Net.Wars by Wendy:
>Clipper, which the government imagined would be built into all kinds of telephony devices from modems to mobile phones, was a bit of hardware that was supposed to garble data just as effectively as PGP. To cypherpunks, there was a significant difference: Clipper had a special built-in function that would store, or escrow, a copy of your private key with a government agency so that in case of need law enforcement couldretrieve the key and decrypt your communications. Only with a court order, of course

>The political objections were obvious: why should the government have the ability to read people’s private electronic communication? The Post Office doesn’t keep an escrowed copy of every letter we write, and no little chip tracks our daily movements in case law enforcement later needs to find out what we were doing on February 23, 1973 (even if video cameras go up daily). Opposition came from all sorts of places: the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility, the American Civil Liberties Union, and software industry giants like Microsoft and IBM’s Lotus subsidiary (whose product Notes is made to handle complex, confidential, business-wide databases

>Nonetheless, then NSA general counsel Stewart Baker dismissed the protests this way at CFP’94 and later in print in Wired: “The opposition to Clipper is coming from people who weren’t allowed to go to Woodstock because they had to finish their math homework

>>151375
>It’s naive to think it will stay like this forever
Especially considering the new AI technology capable of analyzing hundreds of TB of data in minutes. I heard a saying somewhere that although the feds have access to everyone's information, they don't have the time or manpower to process it all. Now that might no longer be the case.

>>151377
>Also, i can't stress enough that this legislation is against all NSFW content, which includes porn and gore, but also discussion over eating disorders or addiction.
What you have just said reminds me of the push in fanfiction websites to remove any topic that isn't "wholesome" or "moral". As in, villains aren't "allowed" to be too evil and writing them that way makes you "problematic". You can write about them robbing banks and uprooting the "corrupt authorities, but make them discriminate against a minority group or commit a crime against an "innocent" party (e.g. animals, children, elderly etc.) and you'll get shit on, hard.

I'm not one to harp on how fiction provides a space to explore any topic safely, but I do not want this line of thinking to spread uncontrollably.

Also sorry in advance if I'm fagging up the thread.

>>151384
2/2

Back then the trojan horse excuse was also the protection of minors. Again, from the book by Wendy Grossman:
>On June 26, 1997, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down, on constitutional grounds, specifically the First Amendment, the Communications Decency Act (CDA), passed on February 1, 1996, as a rider to the Telecommunications Bill and signed into law by President Clinton on February 8, 1996. The CDA would have criminalized the knowing transmission of indecent material to a minor

>People seem unnerved by the notion that private areas may exist over which the [internet] services have no control, but as long as people who use those areas are consenting adults or children with their parents’ consent, it’s not clear why they should be subject to any restrictions greater than those imposed on members-only clubs in real life

>Clinton had barely gotten the official fountain pen back into the presidential inkwell after signing the Telecommunications Bill into law before two suits were filed against the Department of Justice seeking to overturn the CDA. The two cases were joined together for hearing in Philadelphia, and the twenty-seven plaintiffs included the American Library Association, the American Booksellers Association, CompuServe, America Online, Microsoft, Netcom, Prodigy, Wired Ventures (the publisher of Wired magazine), Apple, the American Civil Liberties Union, the Society of Professional Journalists, and the Commercial Internet Exchange, plus the Citizen Internet Empowerment Coalition, representing approximately 56,000 Netizens. Simultaneously, many Web sites turned their backgrounds to black in protest and posted the now widespread blue ribbons supporting free speech online. Shortly afterward, two more suits were filed in New York

At the time that specific law in the US gt shut down for risking free speech on the internet:

>On June 11, U.S. District Judges Dolores Sloviter, Stewart Dalzell, and Ronald Buckwalter in Philadelphia struck down the CDA in the best kind of judicial language. “The Internet may fairly be regarded as a never-ending worldwide conversation. The Government may not, through the CDA, interrupt that conversation. As the most participatory form of mass speech yet developed, the Internet deserves the highest protection from governmental intrusion,” the justices wrote. They concluded, “Just as the strength of the Internet is chaos, so the strength of our liberty depends upon the chaos and cacophony of the unfettered speech the First Amendment protects.”

>The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) summed up the case against the CDA as follows: “[that] the law is unconstitutionally overbroad (criminalizing protected speech), that it is unconstitutionally vague (making it difficult for individuals and organizations to comply), that it fails what the judiciary calls the ‘least restrictive means’ test for speech regulation, and that there is no basic constitutional authority under the First Amendment to engage in this type of content regulation in any nonbroadcast medium.”

What worries me the most is that unlike the opposition against the CDA by the early internet users, there doesn't seem to be any resistance by official means from the public

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlainTEi2Xo

All part of bringing in digital IDs everywhere including health records and passports.

>Simultaneously, many Web sites turned their backgrounds to black in protest and posted the now widespread blue ribbons supporting free speech online
I came across that blue ribbon banner, as well as many Ayashii World parodies of it ヽ(´ー｀)ノ

>>151332
I mean…
In the countries this is happening in, women already accuse men of being these things all the time if they so much as play with their own kid.
What will change if people get called Pedos and creeps for saying censorship is bad?

>>151390
Because the government will be able RAEP all of your online info just to find out you aren't, sharing it with everyone in the process.

>What you have just said reminds me of the push in fanfiction websites to remove any topic that isn't "wholesome" or "moral"
On one hand i believe it's only natural for different corners of the internet to have their own implicitely agreed upon codes of conduct. However, the kind of user regulated censorship, the same that leads to content creators using terms like "unalive" instead of kill, are symptom of the speech regulations coming from the institutions themselves (government, corporations, websites, etc). And quite a fatal symptom at that, because the worst response to forced rules is conformity and compliance

idk if this is really related to the conversation but i have nowhere else to post about it so i'll do it here. so i had an instagram account that i mostly used to follow gravure models on. at some point their algorithms started showing me child model content which i never searched for or asked for but i of course was happy to look at. i never interacted with these accounts in any way other than viewing the content that was on my explore page. the other day i got a notice that my account was permanently suspended for "sharing or interacting with content that sexualizes children". turns out their ai determined that i was an adult interested in children and preemtively suspended my account to "prevent potential unwanted interactions". i didn't actually break any rules. i just looked at the content that they were hosting and suggesting to me (which wasn't even illegal) and they used ai to build a profile on me and ban me based on it.

>>151413
How do they determine if someone is looking at something lustfully or not? ┐(ﾟ～ﾟ)┌

I think a new "soft power war" will occur.

Where countries use certain internet freedoms to engage in soft power.
All countries will censor their internet, but some countries will have different censorship depending on culture.
for instance, in russia homo is banned
in UK criticising homo is banned.
People will use hosts/services/platforms that censor them less, and this benefits certain countries to allow for "dissidents" in other nations to circumvent censorship in their own countries.
Places like china for example are incredibly censored, but they do not censor booba in their games, and what happens to be the big issue right now for gamers? Censorship. The opinion of china goes up with gamers when they see chinese games not censoring and giving them the booba and lolis that the west deprives them. This is a very powerful thing.

this was time tested in the cold war when west germany would win over communists with jeans, pornography and good music.
As censorship becomes more harsh theres also an opportunity to leverage anti-censorship strategically... which is a good thing... total universal censorship would be the worst outcome.

>>151426
they don't care, anon.
if it detects you are over 18 and you watch anything with a child in it, then you are a pedophile.
their AI systems will never get any more complex than that, which is why the AI for youtube, which is infamous for already false flagging every video on the platform, will not only maximize the amount of data stolen via false flags, but you bet your ass they will eventually also ban your account if you watch anything with a 2D or 3D child in it, just like it happened to >>151413

>>151426
that's a good question. they have no way to prove what i was thinking about or doing while looking at the content that they were feeding me. there's a good chance that they secretly record audio and video while you're using the app and know exactly what i was doing but i'm pretty sure that's illegal and they can't actually admit to it or use it as evidence.

>>151431
im just saying, plenty of women who want babies who look at pictures of babies on instagram and pinterest, how does the AI determine theyre innocent?

speaking frankly i think porn does do a lot of harm, however I don't want to be subjected to this crap because parents nowadays let phones do the teaching for them
>>151433
by their gender, a woman liking children is normal

>>151433
Cross-site trackers will determine that 151413-san is not a middle-aged mother looking at other parents' kids in the way a mother does, but instead a middle-aged ojisan with a dubious search history on underground child exploitation sites like "Gelbooru". Using this information provided by data brokers and other companies 151413-san has been duly classified as a Dangerous Netizen and will report his location data to the authorities who will find his name and full address on an online people finding service.

ai loev teh cyberwarudo !

>>151435
151413-san haets ai!ヽ(`Д´)ノ

>>151433
>how does the AI determine theyre innocent?
lol, women can't be pedophiles! silly anon.

Sweden banned more or less onlyfans and or any live streaming chat where you can pay for "custom service". As its same "as buying sex", aka prostitution.

Use a VPN NOW!

on the bright side maybe this will make more parents feel confident enough to upload lots more cute naked bath videos of their kids to sites like youtube, while geniuses such as myself will figure out that you can just make a new account and watch a bunch of kid's cartoons to convince the AI that you are just a toddler downloading terabytes of naked kid videos for innocent toddler-parasocializing purposes

>speaking frankly i think porn does do a lot of harm
It's a matter of personal responsability. If it were up to me i'd probably just ask browser to provide extensive parental control options for those who wanted to use them. But then again, this whole thing can only be a product of profound incompetence or long-term ulterior reasons, either way it's bad

>speaking frankly i think porn does do a lot of harm
What harm does it even do? The most convincing thing I heard is that it decreases productive use of time, but even then I've probably wasted more time watching random youtube videos I'll never remember than masturbating. At least when I spend the entire day reading eromanga I'm engaging with a prominent part of a subculture I'm passionate about, so I'd say it's still more productive than other time wasters.

>>151493
>decreases productive use of time
>time wasters
Less related, but I really don't like how a lot of people consider leisure time as "wasted productivity". After all, whether something is considered "waste" depends on if the person you ask considers it "worthwhile". If you truly enjoyed the time you spent masturbating to doujins, is it really "wasted"? Is it "waste" because you "could" be doing something that "contributes" to "humanity"?

Slightly related is the idea that "if your hobby/interest is fun but isn't making money, it isn't "productive"(TM) and you shouldn't bother." I also don't like how prevalent that is on the internet, but I'm fagging up the thread again sorry .

fun things are fun, thats what all that matters

Masturbating is exercise that helps prevent morbid obesity, and fighting obesity is productive. Every minute you spend masturbating is more calories burned!

>>151493
i can't even get hard unless i watch something with a bit of punch :/

>>151510
I've been watching porn for more than half my life and I'm 32 now. Never had this issue except when I was using drugs like amphetamine and MDMA, which constrict blood vessels. Maybe you have an issue with circulation? ┐(ﾟ～ﾟ)┌

>>151290
Time for even more normalfags to get into monero, openPGP, money orders, cash mailing, VPSs, DNSCrypt, OpenNIC, tor, VPNs, softether, obfs4, freenet, et cetera. They'll need to degrade their browsers and install uMatrix, Port Authority, and a host of other SHIT to prevent more of these "well-being" tools from reaching them. I've started setting up routers and other things for friends.

Where I live this simply isn't a problem

>>151513
>softether
This leaks your IP every time the VPN disconnects unless you setup a killswitch manually. For some reason it still has no built-in killswitch option.

>>151515
>unless you setup a killswitch manually
So does OpenVPN and a lot of other things. You just have to do it.

>77ff9a4f-6b4a-41fa-9cc5-ecff6521cfd6.jpg
I LOL'd

>77ff9a4f-6b4a-41fa-9cc5-ecff6521cfd6.jpg
that is exactly what i expected to happen... i still LOL'd at it being garry's mod, though

>>151562
I wonder if a gaping ANUS or PENIS with googly eyes would work

>I wonder if a gaping ANUS or PENIS with googly eyes would work
is that...the 3 eyed eel?!
*faints*