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Anonymous
2025/06/19
(Thu)
16:40:26
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Everyone should burn media that you want future generations to have onto an archival M-disc.
Data in SSDs, HDDs, and dvds only last 10-20 years, but on an M-disc they will last at least 100 years.
In the event of a near extinction event, civilisational collapse, or simply the wiping of all servers by a solar flare, having stored data on an archival disc will mean post-apocalyptic generations can enjoy the media we take for granted today.
The more archival discs there are the easier it will be for the future generations to find them.
What kind of data should we put on these discs? Each disc can store 20gb. If you have any images you want me to put on one, post it below.
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2025/06/19
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2025/06/19
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Anonymous
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2025/06/19
(Thu)
17:04:37
No.
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>>146951
AND DON'T CHANGE TEH FILE NAME EITHER
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Anonymous
2025/06/20
(Fri)
13:59:40
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i burned all my cool music on 700mb cds to listen on the road
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Anonymous
2025/06/20
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15:57:10
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>>146943
thinking that your archival disk will survive without being damaged or lost is wishful thinking
more importantly, you would also need a disk reader
will any disk readers (or documents to reconstruct them) that are able to read your disk survive for as long as the disk?
even punch cards stored in proper conditions will last over 100 years. if you have stack of an uncommon type of punch card, it may be difficult to find a card reader for it in 2025. you also want to connect such a device to a modern computer.
if it stops being reproduced, the data will rot away and die. reproduction is the best way to prevent extinction. this applies to both the data and to the technology to preserve it.
unfortunately (for preservation), older technologies tend to cease production after some time of being obsoleted. im not saying that you fell for their marketing, but it is unlikely that the archival disk techonology that you are using will be useful for as long as advertised. everything that does not have a reason to survive is ephemeral as are the lives of ours on this earth?
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Anonymous
2025/06/20
(Fri)
17:40:46
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147115
>>147071
If a new and better archival medium comes about I will switch to that, but this is the best possible currently. I don't think there is a single example of a medium capable of storing large amounts of data in a way where anyone with no technology or knowledge can access it, but they might be able to reverse engineer it even if they don't.
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Anonymous
2025/06/20
(Fri)
18:34:31
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147123
>>147071
>everything that does not have a reason to survive
But it does. That's literally it's purpose
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Anonymous
2025/06/21
(Sat)
10:01:27
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147195
M-discs have a horrible reputation for manufacturing defects and fragility i've heard, use something like pioneer instead, they dont have the same defects, meet the same standards, and are made for the japanese government with an 100 year at least guarantee. you need a pioneer writer (and maybe software?) to ensure this but then any bluray drive can read them
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Anonymous
2025/06/21
(Sat)
18:47:08
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147236
Im going to risk sounding stupid and the ask the question. What’s wrong with just shoving all this data on the latest storage tech which is currently several terabyte external drives capable of storing mass amounts of information?
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Anonymous
2025/06/21
(Sat)
19:21:47
No.
147243
>>147236
it might fail
i cant let that happen
120000 M-Discs to store em all
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Anonymous
2025/06/22
(Sun)
01:03:25
No.
147270
>>147236
Because the best SSDs only last 10-20 years before data corruption
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Anonymous
2025/06/22
(Sun)
02:10:08
No.
147274
>>147270
So CD’s don’t have corruption issues?
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Anonymous
2025/06/22
(Sun)
03:24:17
No.
147275
long-term archival is hard and you will probably need to move your shit to other media over time
you will also want checksums and redundant copies on the media - if you do end up in the unfortunate case of dealing with actual bit-rot, it likely won't affect every single file
one big thing too is for shit you've downloaded - you want a big list of filenames, original post IDs, etc (and this is very easy to back up to way more places than your main data pile), so if you did end up losing them, you can maybe attempt to get from another source (maybe even the original source if you're lucky)
even ordinary optical media can last decades while reading fine (in particular, I have burned games from like 18 years ago that verify 1:1, at least for anything where I still had the original files to verify against)
but cheap media like what I burned isn't really rated for more than like 10 years, so I could have issues at any time and I'd have to suck that up
it's all just kinda difficult for your collection of media to definitively last over a normal human lifetime
and if you want some information to be preserved for the ages, etch it into stainless steel or something and bury it lmao
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Anonymous
2025/06/22
(Sun)
16:47:08
No.
147304
>>147274
THey do yes. Archvial discs like M-disc and Pioneer are differetn from CDs, they use a ceramic layer for data to etched on to instead of an ink layer
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Anonymous
2025/06/22
(Sun)
17:08:36
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Stone or metal engraving is the way to go. That shit endures for so long, the cultural context necessary for decoding the meaning of the engravings will probably disappear before your data does.
You could engrave the binary in a typical Macworld shareware CD on 2 tonnes of granite tablets in about a week.
I think we should commit Heyuri archives to about 5k optically-readable Titanium grade 5 plates coated with vacuum-fused sapphire ASAP. It should last for at least a few millennia as long as a large enough asteroid doesn't hit the Earth or there's a pole-flip.
Does anyone here have access to the hardware we need?
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Anonymous
2025/06/22
(Sun)
17:25:32
No.
147307
>>147306
i got a few kidney stones and a lazer pointer
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