scary thought: what if big brother is watching my search queries to learn what used hardware i want so they can acquire it themselves and then install a hardware backdoor then list it on facebook marketplace for an irresistible price...

>>145386
I don't think this has ever happened... not from the switch from 8.1 -> 10 as far as I remember

The kind of person to sell a computer just because the current operating system is getting outdated is probably the kind of person who'd just sell the computer the moment it gets old, and not be aware of operating system updates anyways

I noticed this already happening because of Microsoft's absurd hardware requirements for Windows 11. Some places, namely corporate and educational facilities, threw out all their computers to replace them with newer ones. I'm willing to bet it isn't solely due to Windows 11, but it certainly would have helped the matter.

yes

>>145390
the vast majority of these would be business systems, but more than a few would be people getting scared off by the big fullscreen "windows 10 is eol" message

the real issue with the windows 11 switch is the fact that a lot of very modern machines are either a: marked as not supported and thus won't be upgraded by the completely non-technical user, or b: misconfigured from the factory in a way that will prevent the otherwise automatic upgrade (my own desktop was listed as incompatible despite being brand new, turns out all the shit 11 asked for was turned off on the uefi settings)

8.x->10 didn't have that issue
although, there were a lot of people getting new machines because those Windows 8 machines with HDD boot drives were getting fucked by Windows 10, which runs like shit on an HDD in a way that 8.1 didn't... but a lot of people just put up with it ( ´ω`)

>>145392
They kinda went back on those requirements, it's much easier to run Windows 11 now.

As artificial as Win11's hardware requirements are, the possibility and practicality of using the same machine for more than 1-2 major Windows versions (which used to be released much more regularly and did not auto-upgrade) only came about in the late-2000s/early-2010s as year-on-year hardware improvements slowed way down - so this isn't anything new

>>145423
it is the artificiality of it all that is the problem
historically, people got a new machine because it was a clear, definite improvement due to the sheer rate of advancement - until 2010 or so, a two year hardware gap was an insane chasm unless you spent way too much future proofing it
but when a 7 year old machine is still more than keeping up with modern computing tasks, being forced into a new one is some bullshit

>>145467
Honest truth is any "modern computing task" these days can be done on a phone, the things you'd want a standalone laptop/computer for - gaming, programming, visual production, audio production, image manipulation, VFX, colour-grading, digital sculpting, what have you... are all the sorts of things where you're very justified into wanting a new computer every two years; provided you have the cash! Of course.

>>145468
the most annoying thing about phones is the fact that the software selection is ass for no reason
you absolutely could do a bunch of shit on your phone these days

but also
>gaming, programming, visual production, audio production, image manipulation, VFX, colour-grading, digital sculpting
all my VSTs work the same on my laptop from 2015
most shit I'd work on programming doesn't take terribly long to compile and I'd be far more interested in its performance on an older machine when running the result anyway
gaming hasn't made me need to buy a new machine in a while
most image editing I'd do has no need for a particularly fast machine either, but I also put up with an old ass version of Photoshop on a 1999 iMac for ages so...

vfx and sculpting, I'd sure hope wherever I worked spent the money on a new machine for me ( ´ω`)

>>145471
>the most annoying thing about phones is the fact that the software selection is ass for no reason

Actually, you could just ignore that shit now, I'm no fan of Samsung phones (Sony Xperia 4ever), but for example, you can use DeX and a $20 dock, and you essentially have a desktop, using the flagship CPUs found on phones like the 8 Gen 3 or 8 Elite which can rival some older midrange gaming laptops, you could very potentially just use Winlator and run an enclosed Windows environment - on your phone! No computer needed, these days I find ultra books and weak computers to be silly investments in the world of hilariously powerful ray-tracing capable phones.

>all my VSTs work the same on my laptop from 2015

Absolutely, but it always helps to have a faster computer, especially if you're into making something like psychedelic rock and need to make massive dynamic range productions with a lot of FX.


>gaming hasn't made me need to buy a new machine in a while

Depends on person to person - personally I'd be upgrading every year if I could, just for gaming alone, but I also have a wife in my dreams so maybe this hypothetical gaming setup would sit collecting dust in my dream world as I'd have to spend my time raising kids instead of gaming

>most image editing I'd do has no need for a particularly fast machine either, but I also put up with an old ass version of Photoshop on a 1999 iMac for ages so...

I am a photographer, AI denoise on Lightroom and Darktable is still so slow on even modern machines it makes me want to kill myself. Figuratively. It helps that I can't afford a nice camera though, if I had a medium-format 108-megapixel camera or one of those fancy 61-megapixel Sony mirrorless cameras I'd probably have to actually kill myself waiting for the editor to denoise a 72000 x 32000 image. Literally.

>vfx and sculpting, I'd sure hope wherever I worked spent the money on a new machine for me ( ´ω`)

Well, this discounts the people that do such things as a hobby, or an artform, all the YTPMV/otoMAD people do crazy shit Hollywood artists dream of being able to do on 2013 Shit pads because they can't afford better, I've seen the setup of one of those people, one of them had recently done some gachimuchi figurine stop-motion stuff, it was done with green cloth and a Canon Rebel from 2009 for the source material, off-loaded to what I believe is a T-series Lenovo running pirated After Effects.

>>145392
windows 10 kept telling me my pc doesnt support windows 11 due to missing tmp2 or some shit and urged me to upgrade, i never did and somehow a couple months later my pc was shown to be compatible with windows 11

>>145481
>Winlator
ooh, that sounds interesting
should give it a go

>>145513
It's amazing, you can run basically any offline PC game like GTA V or Skyrim on your phone, high resolution and high frame rates.

Though I have to warn you - it dies on anything that doesn't have Qualcomm drivers afaik, I don't think it'd be wise to try it on a MediaTek phone, that, and the fact that it's extremely resource intensive, you can probably run games from 2010 or so on like a Snapdragon 695 provided you have a fan cooler or something... But I wouldn't attempt running it on anything worse than a Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 if you want a smooth experience