it sounds hot, but i can't read

>>116338

It is about a 40-year-old man who falls in love with a 12-year-old girl.

>>116340
out of ten

This was one of the first books I read when I wanted to get into 'advanced reading' on my own time when I was young. One thing to note is that it really isn't a love story at all, Dolores herself is rarely ever present and when she is she doesn't get many lines. It's sort of the insanely socially retarded manifesto of Humbert with the guise of being, from his perspective, a story of true love, unfettered by society and developed womanhood (which is gross, as he explains in the beginning).

If you expected loli erotica going into it, you won't get it. There's a brief few sentences describing Dolores' body before and after the main event (SEX!!!!!), I recall her ass is very round and pale, but the event itself is never described.

The main part of HH's character is the fact that he was never actually a lolikon and his love for lolis was forced. He just hates women and, by extension, the rest of the world for accepting women as they are (he says shrinks even suspected he was gay at one point ), while also having an obsession with a childhood sweetheart and the perfect out-of-a-novel romance not realizing such a thing was an imperfect memory. He blames everyone else for the world being this way, when truly he just hasn't made any attempt to mature in 30 years.

It's like Catcher in the Rye but the protagonist's age is doubled and he fucks a kid instead of taking her to a carnival or whatever. I think every Heyurian should read both, they're quite apt!

>>116342
>One thing to note is that it really isn't a love story at all, Dolores herself is rarely ever present and when she is she doesn't get many lines. It's sort of the insanely socially retarded manifesto of Humbert with the guise of being, from his perspective, a story of true love, unfettered by society and developed womanhood (which is gross, as he explains in the beginning).

What are your thoughts on the movie adaptations that portray the relationship as romantic and HH as a true lolicon?

It's a great novel, but like >>116342 said it's not the lolicon fantasy you might be expecting. Still exciting and taboo in its own way of course. Pale Fire is a great read too if you love the narrator's eccentricities like I do and want something similar.

>>116342
>If you expected loli erotica going into it, you won't get it.
What a shame, I stole the book from the library a while ago thinking it was going to be "literary" loli erotica.
One more bullet point on the "Why I hate Nabokov" list, i suppose.

>>116358

Still read it give it a chance and make up your own opinion.

>>116342

Some say Nabokov" was a closet pedo or hebe at the very least technically.

Lolita isn't his only book that has pedo stuff in it he has 10 other books that make reference to or are about sex with children.

Here is an interesting video i found that expands on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDSz_LnsEjA

i gave up after the first part so i got all the sexy bits. the language used in this caused me physical pain. i know it was on purpose or whatever but doesnt mean its good

>>116363

Maybe the Jereny Irons audiobook would be better than actually reading.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R0dy3kNuL4

I tried reading it, but I don't think I'm familiar enough with whatever the author's into to understand anything of what's going on.

Nabakov's book is what inspired the loli trend in Japanese manga. A Russian was the founder of modern lolikon but its not the evil hateful porn book people make it out to be.

>>116360
>hebe
No such thing exists. Dolores isn't a child. Wasn't she 14 or something?

>>116364
11 hours and a half of crazy russian monologue (;´Д`)

>>116360
>Here is an interesting video i found that expands on this.
You know what else expands on books about sex with children?
My PENIS.

I wish someone would

>>116380
she wasnt even a virgin! she was a hag

Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti said "all women over 14 are hags" hence the moust famous commentator on the Quran was also the first lolicon not Nabakov. Vladimir never wrote any porn even. Tasteless Tasteless porn. Peter Sotos is your man OP. I bet he describes the pedo population of this site perfectly. The many unironic pedophiles and wannabe loli rapists who hide in Heyuri's depths, deflowring imaginary children with the palm of their right hands. Buyer's Market was a good album btw. Should invite Peter-chan to write for the upcoming Heyuri zine, which Kaguya promises will be filither than Pure and bloodier than the many monkey rape scenes of Marquis De Sade.

>>116426
well said, sotos is the go-to guy for that sort of stuff

>>116380
>No such thing exists. Dolores isn't a child. Wasn't she 14 or something?

12 in the book 14 in the movies.

this is THE shotacon novel for sophisticated shotacons

>>116380
>Nabakov's book is what inspired the loli trend in Japanese manga. A Russian was the founder of modern lolikon

Don't forget about The Lolita Complex by Russell Trainer published in 1966.

It was the first ever psychology book on adults being attracted to minors and also like the Lolita novel played a role in inspiring the loli trend in 80s Japan.

Keep trying but it's too boring. Maybe I'll watch the movie. A lot of people make various sad/romantic music vids with clips from the movie so I guess it must be pretty good.

>>116462

Watch the 90s Jeremy Irons one not the 60s Stanley Kubrick one.

>>116467
lold at the simplified description on google
>A man weds his landlady so that he can take advantage of her daughter. Will he succeed?

ganbatte man-sama

>>116469

Comeback to this thread and let us know if you enjoyed it anon.

lamb by bonnie nadzam and Tiger, Tiger by Margaux Fragoso are also interesting books about an adult falling in love with a kid.

Lamb also like Lolita has a 2015 movie adaption.

Lolita is overrated. Part one is decent enough, but in part two the pacing moves to a crawl and it becomes dreadfully boring. That's actually why many publishers rejected it, not because of its controversial subject matter, but because it's not really that good. Humbert Humbert is also an insufferable, pretentious retard and it's hard to read his inner monologue even during the good parts. You are right in calling it a love story however, that's exactly what Nabokov said it was. People saying HH is an unreliable narrator are coping - HH is totally honest with the reader.

If you want to read an amazing pedophile love story, I cannot recommend Tiger, Tiger by Margaux Fragoso enough. It's about a fourteen year long love affair between a little girl and a pedophile, beginning when she was seven and he was fifty-one. I've read it three times now, and I always read it super quickly because it's incredibly hard to put down. The author had an interest in writing from an early age and worked on this memoir for ten years and it really shows, it is incredibly well-written. And although it is a memoir, she doesn't reflect on the experiences from the perspective of her adult self, but rather only gives her thoughts at the time, meaning it reads exactly like a novel does.

Pic semi-related, it's 9/11 viewed from Union City, where the author lived. Her memoir begins in 1985 and ends right after the anthrax scare in 2001.

>>116560
>>116570
>Tiger, Tiger by Margaux Fragoso
Two anons recommended it independently so it must be good

>>116571
Please read it mister, you won't regret it!

>>116570
>If you want to read an amazing pedophile love story, I cannot recommend Tiger, Tiger by Margaux Fragoso enough

There is an article about it on the Newgon wiki and it says on there that in her adult life she took an anti-pedo stance.

Even Alice Sebold author of The Lovely Bones called it the story of a victim but i think similar to Lamb maybe you are supposed to question his intentions?

>You are right in calling it a love story however, that's exactly what Nabokov said it was. People saying HH is an unreliable narrator are coping


Exactly it is because they like to paint Nabokov as an activist type who was against kids being sexualized when in reality, he was a closet pedo hiding in plain sight.

He even referred to Sue Lyon the 14-year-old girl who played Lolita in the 1962 original film as a divine nymphet and even said to his cousin Peter de Peterson that he thought love could exist in the form depicted in Lolita and could last longer than most people assumed. Also, in a conversation with Andrew Field, he declared that sexual tastes such as Humbert’s are “the commonest thing,”

>>116570
m-memoir??

on my way to the library

>in part two the pacing moves to a crawl and it becomes dreadfully boring
agreed

>Newgon wiki and it says on there that in her adult life she took an anti-pedo stance.

The book was recommended to me by a pro-contact pedophile who described it as a pro-contact book. The first time I read the book I thought it had an anti-contact message behind it, and that the person who recommended it to me had very poor reading comprehension. It certainly isn't pro-contact though, that's for sure. In the afterword she gives a link to a website where pedophiles can find therapy, knowing that pedophiles would read her book.

However, as I've read it more, I'm not sure it's that simple. The book was controversial because she refused to repudiate her love for Peter, the pedophile. She even called him her soul-mate. I think if you were to ask Fragoso if she could live her life again without Peter in it, she would say no.

Furthermore I was just thinking this morning about how stupid the term "pro-contact" is. Assuming you aren't a member of an ascetic religious order, would you describe yourself as "pro-sex"? Sex is not always a good thing, but it isn't inherently a bad thing. And the same for sexual contact between adults and children. It depends on the situation.

Regardless of contact stances, the book is a masterpiece and a must read for anyone who is interested in sex with children.

>>116599
>pro-contact pedophile
What a dumb fucking term You're either a pedophile or you're not. Either you want to fuck kids or not, there's nothing more nor less to that. Anyone else who makes it more complicated is trying to sell you something

>>116601
You didn't read my post past that part, huh?

>>116627
Correct

>>116601
I don't really see how it's stupid. There are pedophiles who think it's morally permissable to have sex with children and pedophiles who don't, so making a term to refer to them makes sense.

>>116599
>The book was recommended to me by a pro-contact pedophile who described it as a pro-contact book.

Who? Tom O'Carroll?


>However, as I've read it more, I'm not sure it's that simple. The book was controversial because she refused to repudiate her love for Peter, the pedophile. She even called him her soul-mate. I think if you were to ask Fragoso if she could live her life again without Peter in it, she would say no.


It sounds like she was conflicted about her relationship with him.


>>116601

>What a dumb fucking term You're either a pedophile or you're not. Either you want to fuck kids or not, there's nothing more nor less to that.

As >>116649 said the terms exist for a reason and make sense.

>>116654
>makes sense
It doesn't. It really doesn't make any sense

There are way too many pedo sympathizers on this site

It doesn't make sense to create terms to distinguish between two prominent and opposing opinions in a population?

>>116677
There's no need for the term "pro-contact" pedophiles, because anyone who is "anti-contact" isn't a pedophile, by definition. It's that simple

>>116678

Anon please you can be a pedophile and be against the idea of sex with children and know it's wrong the Virped faggots are a good example.

Do you think priests are asexual too? Or are married people not sexually attracted to people other than their spouse?

>>116682
Yeah but you could be married, attracted to other people, and be anti-adultery... If you're >>116678 then those examples actually work against your point.

I'm not that guy, I'm the guy arguing against that guy.

I'm reading Tiger Tiger now and it's quite addictive.

(From the book)

>Often, I’d sit on the plastic-covered couch, dressed only in an undershirt and panties, looking at the houses across the street.
>One day, I noticed a man on the front porch of one of those houses, staring at me. So I started to do things I thought would entertain him. I’d stretch one leg high in the air or toss my short brown hair (now grown into a chin-length bob). >Or I’d pull up my shirt a little and gaze at my belly button.
>I did this every time I saw the man watching. Mommy was always upstairs, calling friends or 1-800 hotlines.
>I felt like the nude woman in Poppa’s painting: beautiful, so dark-eyed and haunting. I no longer felt ashamed. My too skinny body felt like a runway model’s supple form. It was the only time I felt like I was worth anything, like someone could see me as something other than a freak.
>One day, I waved to him. He waved back, and I didn’t know why, but
his boldness made me furious. I hadn’t wanted him to wave back or react in
any way.
>I ran upstairs and barged into the bedroom Mommy and I shared. She
was on the phone. I heard my name and figured she was again trying to get
advice concerning me.
>“Mommy, there’s a man across the street; he’s looking at me in my
panties!”

What a bitch.

Trois Filles de leur mère/Three Daughters of their mother from 1926 by Pierre Louÿs and The Wandering Moon/流浪の月 by Yuu Nagira are also good.

also, idk how i managed to forget to indicate the post i was replying to 3 times in a row

>>116735
>Trois Filles de leur mère
So it's a story about oyakodon?

>>116729
Yeah, it's a real page turner. Every time I try to put it down, I end up picking it back up and reading a few more chapters. I've read it twice before and I'm on my third read-through of it. There is actually some symbolism in the book which is odd given that it is a memoir, such as the repeated tiger imagery. And in another part:

>"[...] Oh, you noticed that? You can't stop looking at that painting once you start. That's Norman Rockwell's Curiosity Shop."
>He walked to the painting that was hanging in the back of his room to the right of an aquarium, situated above his bed frame, that contained plants. "See how at first glance all it looks like is a girl buying some dolls from a shopkeeper? But then you notice how the dolls don't have doll faces; they have the face of the shopkeeper."
>"Oh, yeah... creepy..." The shopkeeper had a wrinkled face and gray hair that looked normal on him, but grotesque on the two baby dolls.
>"Yeah, if you're just glancing at that picture everything looks normal, but then, as you look closer and closer, you start to realize nothing's the way it should be. It's funny; I feel like every time I look at it I find something new that's not quite right."

The painting symbolizes Peter's life with eerie perfection, and foreshadows future revelations about Peter's past.

>>116765
I found an English translation of it too, they changed the title to "The She-Devils" and Anglicized the authors name to Peter Lewys if anyone wants to check it out. I ordered it, along with Lamb by Bonnie Nadzam.

Would any of you guys like to form a book club? General threads aren't allowed last time I checked, so we could host it on /lounge/ or I could make a matrix group chat. We could call it "The Lolibrary" (loli + library).

>>116770
>Would any of you guys like to form a book club? General threads aren't allowed last time I checked, so we could host it on /lounge/ or I could make a matrix group chat. We could call it "The Lolibrary" (loli + library).

A loli book club sounds like a good idea we can even read manga too.

Forgot to mention Japan has a bunch of pornographic adult novels some of which are pedo/loli themed see pic related, but they are hard to get your hands on.

>>116822
Add me on matrix and I'll invite you to the room: @mercy44:midov.pl

If you need a matrix account you can sign up at midov.pl, it's like discord but with end-to-end encryption.

so its true that heyuri is mostly turks and poles

>>116851
I don't have any insights, but I'd assume a good chunk of the traffic comes from Germany (Poles and Turks).

Interestingly, nippon is #2 on Heyuri

>>116889
>United Kingdom
These are Poles. Indians and Pakis don't really visit sites like this, so most visits from UK are gonna be Poles and other Eastern Europeans

Other books i would recommend.

This Gorgeous Game by Donna Freitas

The Lucy Variations by Sara Zarr

Love and Other Perishable Items by Laura Buzo

Nabokov has a few other books that either make reference to or are about pedophilia/children having sex as pointed out earlier such as Ada, or Ardor: A Family Chronicle

Gabriel Garcia Marquez also has a few novels that have pedo relationships in them as well.

I really enjoy books like these. Not because I'm a pedophile, but because I feel like they express a certain wonderful moral ambiguity that is rare in most other novels.

>>116337
yes the insanity part was fucking stupid but i read the first part i guess in the end he kills a man for cucking him after the nut house bullshytee

>>116574
this picture hit my feels not sure why