Flash@Heyuri

Is there some technical reason they're unable to bring it back? Heyuri and plenty of other sites still host swf files, security concerns seems like a lame excuse. Killing one of the parts that captures early internet history because you can't be asked to put in the work seems lazy.
I hate to ask but can heyuri admins reach out to see if they can help bring 4/f/ back? It looks like you have a pretty well functioning flash board idk why the original is having so much trouble

kaguya ## Admin 2025/04/24(Thu)20:29:46 No.1625

>I hate to ask but can heyuri admins reach out to see if they can help bring 4/f/ back?
I was actually trying to discuss, but a moderator there just banned me from their channel saying "don't bother"

I want to thus make Flash@Heyuri the new home of 4/f/ users, but I don't want to be misunderstood as someone taking the chance to promote his site.
I've personally been an active user of 4/f/ through the years, and in the past, I have nagged the 4chan mods to update 4/f/'s ruffle on multiple occasions as they were neglecting.

Though, I don't understand why they decided to remove the board. Perhaps they don't care about having a culture as much as making profit anymore...

>"don't bother"
how rude of them but at least you tried and thats all that counts! ヽ(´∇`)ノ

Gookmoot is probably consulting with one of the NSA's top computer security experts on how to keep 4chan more secure. Someone with a computer science degree, and people with computer science degrees are notoriously smart so he's not in a place to argue when he's told to disable flash uploads.

yay! fuck 4chan

>a moderator there just banned me from their channel saying "don't bother"
How is it possible to be such massive faggots FFS. Genuinely makes me mad how little these cunts fucking care.

>Perhaps they don't care about having a culture as much as making profit anymore...
Bingo. It's not a mystery that that has been teh case ever since Hiroshimoot took over.

So how do we route swfchan's archival leech powers over to this board? ( dunno techy term idont how work computer )

it's up to Ants

the board software here is going to receive some HTML updates soon, which could be bad if it disrupts the crawler though

4chan just came back and /f/ is still there! It's /qa/ teh one that got deleted

>>1681
You're also unable to post on it. We're not out of the woods yet

>>1681
Oh... it's read-only
Heyuri's still teh place to be for /f/

>>1625
Probably too much of a liability.

>>1624
The 4chan team is a lazy bunch
They could easily keep /f/ up if it wasn't running on decades old code from Futaba.
I bet they just don't care about this part of 4chan (if they do care about any part?) enough.

https://blog.4chan.org/
>One slow but much beloved board, /f/ - Flash, will not be returning however, as there is no realistic way to prevent similar exploits using .swf files.

It's confirmed...

>>1625
>I want to thus make Flash@Heyuri the new home of 4/f/ users
The only way that can happen is if you remove the pages from /f/. /f/ should only have one page so that it is always fresh and stuff can be posted without worry of past stuff

kaguya ## Admin 2025/04/26(Sat)13:17:51 No.1717

>No. 1711
The pages may be removed if there is a consensus on it
Currently there is nothing archiving this board, and we will receive a hueg software update (though largely backend stuff u won't notice) soon
There on we can see what are our options

>>1717
This board's culture is fairly different from the other place's board's culture. You'd have to adjust to a very different population. The lack of Gachi and West Hollywood edits is notable for example. Weekend Inside Joke hasn't been posted for example. You may not be up for the cultural conflict that migration might cause.

It's true Heyuri has always been its own thing, and is maybe a bit more otaku-oriented if compared to 4/f/. It's funny 4/f/ had an unenforced rule forbidding non-Japanese content
https://4chan.org/rules#f (<- lol still there)

That said there had been multiple occasions users from 4/f/ migrated to Heyuri, and they have fitted just fine.
https://cgi.heyuri.net/vote2/vote.cgi?detail=4chan&room=1743602428 ctrl+f "/f/" - few people check this board but it should be a good sample

Also gachi edits have been posted multiple times around the site though I personally think it's a little repetitive when done through the decades

>>1718
>>1719
The culture shock shouldn't really be a problem if the 4/f/ population really migrates here since they'll bring their culture with them.

IMO there isn't a huge cultural difference between Heyuri and late /f/. Maybe Heyuri has a few rules anyone from 4chan is prone to breaking but they're easy enough to adjust to

I'd be happy to stay here.
This seems like a retirement home for oldfags.
As long as all /f/ags are in one place, I don't really care where that is. Probably gonna get banned for disregarding arbitrary rules (/f/ was pretty unenforced which was nice, because there weren't any problem children in the first place).
I do miss the 4chanX extension though, as it gave every thread a quicklink to the swf on swfchan which streamlined the search&archive functionality a lot.
Also SWFAnts would need to implement crawling threads obviously, but I do think he will do that at some point regardless. Don't care about 4plebs, but the 4chanX also automatically redirected dead thread links to the archived thread on 4plebs. It'd be nice if the same could be done with swfchan in some way.

>>1694
>I bet they just don't care about this part of 4chan (if they do care about any part?) enough.
It has been quite obvious that they don't care about anything 4chan related that isn't money, it's been known for basically a decade already. /f/ was kill because they rushed teh shit out of this (cuz money) and didn't even bother to think about updating teh board to teh level of a FUCKING ALTCHAN... i fucking hate them and they deserve all teh hacks they get.

>This seems like a retirement home for oldfags.
You're not the first one saying that
https://up.heyuri.net/src/4442.png (most these are user quotes about Heyuri)

>I do miss the 4chanX extension though, as it gave every thread a quicklink to the swf on swfchan which streamlined the search&archive functionality a lot.
Surely that's something trivial to implement here too.

kaguya ## Admin 2025/04/26(Sat)14:45:03 No.1726

>>1722
>quicklink to the swf on swfchan
noted
we will have it generated server side with the next software update, replacing [Imgops] (you can see next to filename here) for SWF files

People seem to be adding their feature requests in this thread, so I'll add mine: if the subject is empty make the comment appear in the subject. On 4/f/ many flashes don't receive replies, so it's pointless to enter the thread unless OP wrote something in the subject or the comment. On 4/f/ the subject field appears populated even if the subject field is empty but the comment one is not. This means that it's empty only when there is no additional context to the flash and as such there is no reason to go in the thread. But here, if someone only writes in the comment field, the subject field will appear empty, meaning that you cannot distinguish which threads should you enter.

>>1625
Doesn't really make sense why they would remove it.
The hack happened because they used outdated thirdparty software to thumbnail PDF files, they don't thumbnail SFW files.

I can't see there possibly being an exploit with SWF to allow SQL injection or PHP code execution so this really feels like they are too lazy to maintain there very outdated upload board script.

>>1734
in the leak, 4/f/'s script was in a separate file and different enough of a board layout and has specific conditions that they probably would have to spend extra effort to patch any potential vulnerabilities that were specific to the board. It used to save either md5 hashes or filenames of the files uploaded for 2 weeks and forbade any poster from uploaded the same file in that timeframe, you couldn't upload files with the exact same name even if it would delete the thread that had that same name (iirc) and just plenty of specific edge cases like that which don't appear on other boards.
IIRC a few times 4/f/ had specific problems, for instance there was a time when a bunch of /f/aggots discovered that the character limit for the subject, and name field displayed on the board page was pretty long and pasted as may W characters in a row as they could. Got immortalized in a flash somewhere. Mods actually bothered to patch that pretty quick.

>>1733
Thanks for suggestion, that is something that's been on my mind as well
We are considering supporting 4chan-style tags or maybe categories too, before someone suggests that.
>>1734
I agree. If the PDF files weren't being parsed, or their parsing software was up to date, the hack wouldn't have happened. SWF files do not get parsed. It may only be an issue for users, but then anyone using flash plugin instead of ruffle should know what they're doing already.
I don't know about 4chan's software but I feel like they have a poor excuse for retiring /f/. All it needed was a board index page that's generated in a different way than the rest of their boards. That's what we do here.
Alternatively they could simply use another software maintained by other people, even kokonotsuba as I was planning to propose them b4 getting b&, but feels like any effort for 4chan would be futile at this point.

>>1726
figured out this is indeed something trivial that can be applied right away, so I did. You can see the [swfchan] option now

>figured out this is indeed something trivial that can be applied right away, so I did. You can see the [swfchan] option now
Filesize search is more reliable for finding the correct file.
http://eye.swfchan.com/search/?q=life.swf
vs
http://eye.swfchan.com/search/?q=%3E8545475
In fact, it's so useful that whenever I need to refer to another swf in my collection or in a bookmark or something, I use the filesize in bytes to identify it instead of any commonly accepted name.

>Currently there is nothing archiving this board

What was that?
[swfchan][testing][testing 123][<img src=https://img.heyuri.net/f/koko.php?mode=module&load=mod_banner border=1>][/testing][/swfchan]

it's a bug that will get fixed with the next overhaul too. I'm removing manually for now...

kaguya ## Admin 2025/04/26(Sat)20:40:25 No.1749

>>1746
I recognize that's a better way, but I can't draw the exact filesize from the database
I can only see the "8345 KB" in the DB: https://up.heyuri.net/src/4444.png
What I can do is (assuming no swf file will be under 2 KB) having it search between 8345 and 8346 like this:
http://eye.swfchan.com/search/?q=life.swf&min=8345&u1=k&max=8346&u2=k
I will first confirm it's always between the size it shows in KB and 1 more than that, and work on applying that accordingly. I'll include filename too for now (assuming it won't be an hassle for users to just remove it in rare cases the swf is posted with an out-of-ordinary filename, as I predict there are many files with similar sizes among 0.2M flashes archived on swfchan)

kaguya ## Admin  SAGE! 2025/04/26(Sat)21:10:19 No.1750

and done

>>1749
Are you sure your database doesn't store raw bytes of a file somewhere and just present you the human readable version?

>>1751
I'm not l33t with the development, but as far as I know, the information is put to the database by the software to be used elsewhere (like in this case) or just pulled and served to the users. And we don't need to know the exact sizes of files for BBS software to do its job.
In OS level I suppose it's theoretically possible to construct the files' path and run CLI commands via PHP and get their exact byte sizes... but that feels too costy for not much worth.

I could try confirming this with our dev l8r (or anyone can peek into our open source software), but currently we're too preoccupied with the other parts of the software.

>>1752
>but that feels too costy for not much worth
Considering how often it will actually be used, I don't think that it will have a significant contribution to server load

>Considering how often it will actually be used, I don't think that it will have a significant contribution to server load
Bro its just one apple and the snek is totally trustworthy.

>>1753
>Considering how often it will actually be used
At least on koko, it doesn't really work like that. The links are constructed dynamically with each load, for each file
That said it may not be costy at all to do. It just needs to get stat -c%s /fullpath/to/src/unix.swf
I'm noting this for now

As I suspected there may be better ways to do this.
I should quit noting down each step, u will see when it's done

>>1750
>>1752
why ur name looks different in these posts?

>>1762
capcode VS tripcode
and my tripcode was configured to have a capcode too, which I suppose is only causing confusion so I just disabled

Despite what the rules said, 4/f/ had a laissez-faire moderation. Anons could post /b/ shit or /pol/ shit, swastikas or gay men, japanese cats or touhous.

Heyuri seems to be a websites that enforces its culture strictly, for example the rules make it clear things like modern buzzwords or greentexting are not allowed.

My question to the admin is: since you are proposing to make heyuri/f/ the new home of 4/f/ refugees, does that mean that a compromise will be made on how the rules are enforced?

kaguya ## Admin 2025/04/27(Sun)00:26:31 No.1766

You can post most /b/ shit (loli, nudez... what else they had?), swastikas or gay men, japanese cats or touhous
You can't post most /pol/ shit (how much you want to kill X people, your meltdown over the last post of twitter BigMan etc), pepe/soyjaks, some modern buzzwords people throw around, greentext stories, generally try to ruin rule abiding users' enjoyment of the internets, etc.

I believe most actual 4/f/ users won't be filtered by Heyuri's rules, maybe some will try to quote something noone said or use their favorite modern 4chan slang at most. I also generally don't want to ban any well-intentioned users, and prefer giving private or public warns. But like any place, we have our rules the new users must learn to follow too

As our first admin put it 5 years ago: We will stick to our rules and enforce them properly. New users *will* learn the culture

>>1766
That's not really a fair comparison since he was talking about a new website that he was making whereas you're talking to a bunch of refugees trying to make this place like their old home

>>1767
You can't expect an admin to say they won't enforce the r00lz
But I genuinely doubt any /f/ user would read Heyuri rules and decide against coming over

Like it's not a kissu banning swastikas/"grotesque" stuff, 22chan banning all nudity, etc.

>>1766
Hello, I just want to thank you and all the staff for keeping this place going.

I'm new but what I've seen from lurking is really wonderful. I hope you're doing well and look forward to many years of posting ｷﾀ━━━(・∀・)━━━!!

>anyone using flash plugin instead of ruffle should know what they're doing already.
(;ﾟ∇ﾟ) Uhhh woops, what am I supposed to be doing?

Man this fucking sucks, I barely joined /f/ a couple of months ago and now its kill.

>>1783
Are you aware of the reasons why browsers stopped supporting the flash plugin?

>>1791
Adobe can't program a decent software that's why

>>1717
>Currently there is nothing archiving this board
I do.

>>1805
thank you for your service

>>1791
For shitty political reasons really!

>>1749
Wow that's pretty fucking fast. Works better than on /f/ too!
I'd advise to go without the filename, because in my time I've seen veery little byte exact duplicate files and even if so there's only maybe a page of them to look through at the veery most. But it's kewl.
Kudos to the administration actually *caring* about any of this.

If anyone wants more suggestions, like it was already mentioned: tags, comments if empty subjects, maybe displaying the swf name on the window title instead of the empty comment ｷﾀ━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━!! because then 100 tabs show ｷﾀ━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━!! on my toolbar.
Also if you want to get reaaaaally nitpicky, it takes just a little to much scrolling to get to the comments. I mean the OP's comment should really be visible on the tab as is without needing to scroll down in standard 1080p. Maybe make the post fields collapsable, with a button and/or when you click-comment a post.
Also moving the ad banners farther to the top or botton (I know they're probably needed there though).

Thanks for your effort and concern kaguya-sama.

I've got an idea to improve the swfchan button even further, but be aware that I'm not really experienced in web dev, so what I'm saying may be bullshit. Is it possible to make some javascript that parses the swfchan page that gets linked and if there is only one result, it would replace the link with the link to the result?