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damn near everyone that I've seen pine for lisp machines and Oberon has spent no time with either

of all the programming environment as operating system people, the only crowd I've seen really go in on it are forth users

people also forget just how bad things actually were that Windows had such a low competition field that it did to succeed in - you could almost argue that MS didn't even need to be their usual bastard selves (but they were, even in that time they engaged in anticompetitive behavior), because the competition just was not there
still thinking about all the environments that charged thousands for compilers and shit from the late 80s and early 90s
and a lot of the "get a real computer" types were on university systems that were north of 10x more expensive than a machine they could reasonably get at home and thus their opinion doesn't matter （⌒∇⌒ゞ）

people act like MS got into their position out of nowhere
but you'll look at the decisions everyone else was making and you can immediately see that they were the wrong ones

as an aside, I am still baffled that Apple even survived into the 90s, they fucked up as bad as any other 80s home computer manufacturer ┐(ﾟ～ﾟ)┌
although Jobs coming back was probably why they didn't die sometime in 1998 lol, just a complete strategy turnaround