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Lounge@Heyuri
I have to admit that I'm one of those guys who can't exactly make up his mind about things because I'm so easily swayed. I read widely but can never really suss out whether what I'm reading is bullshit, beyond the most obvious lies and mistakes. I can read up on anything from Communism to Fascism to Anarcho-Niggeritism and think, "Well, I dunno, he's got a point!", until I'm convinced of the counter argument by some other thinker.

Basically I'm wondering how to develop skills for analyzing arguments, since I notice users here are fairly good at 'debunking' things.

I'm wondering;

-Where do I start with analyzing people's arguments? Should I read books on philosophy? Rhetoric? Logic? Critical Thinking?
Maybe there are methods I can use starting now without having to read anything?

-Once I've done some reading/listening/watching, how do I 'organize' it in my head so that I approach my own conclusions about the topic, instead of getting wrapped up in the author's manipulations? I don't want it to be a kneejerk reaction of agreeing or disagreeing because the 'vibe' felt right.

-I write sometimes,so I'm particularly interested in how I can 'flip things around' to my perspective, and think of them in an original way, like, If I'm expounding my thoughts on a certain philosophy, or writing a rebuttal of a certain ideology. Whenever I write I either go along without any particular point,or start autistically copying out whichever book has influenced me that week. I think this because I struggle to meaningfully internalize whatever it is I've read/watched, so I can't have a proper 'argument' with the material, as some do. I'm basically wondering about how I can understand things better in a way that's true to 'me', without getting 'taken in' by the author and thinking they have all the answers until someone 'debunks' them.

-I know that 'peer-reviewed studies' and statistics in general don't have as much weight to them as some believe, nor are they quite as direct as many people claim, so how do I go about analyzing these studies? Basically, how do I know when academics have cooked the numbers, or when there are certain variables at play that might invalidate the study, or contradict the point of the person using those studies as proof?
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I've found that truth is in nature, and the more you get caught up in man's manipulative bullshit, the further away from truth you get ヽ(´ー`)ノ
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Interesting thread, this is something I struggle with a lot too
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i also struggle with a lot of the stuff you described. i feel like it has a lot to do with empathy, i end up going "well, i could totally understand how they could have developed this ideology and believe in it based on what they've been through, i guess they got a point there!" to almost every ideological piece i've read (⌒∇⌒ゞ) those thoughts in and of themselves are actually really good, i think, because it shows you can comprehend different views without getting defensive and angry like most people do (aka, what i think is right and everyone else who thinks differently is automatically wrong so i don't care). the problem is having a healthy enough amount of that understanding where you can think maturely about other people's viewpoints yet still not get swayed into believing every single thing people tell you just because it makes sense as to why someone would come to those conclusions. i haven't really figured out that balance, though. (´人`)

i never read any books about analysis and critical thinking, but what worked for me was exposing myself to as many viewpoints as possible. it can help you form your own opinions more clearly and develop your values even stronger. it's kind of a confusing thing to explain, but i guess what helps is to just keep reading and gaining knowledge! ヽ(´ー`)ノ
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>>9376
This little book is a good intro to grammar, logic, and rhetoric even if its a little old fashioned (beware Catholic bias) ヽ(´ー`)ノ
https://media.evolveconsciousness.org/books/consciousness/The%20Trivium%20-%20The%20Liberal%20Arts%20of%20Logic,%20Grammar,%20and%20Rhetoric%20-%20Sister%20Mirriam%20Joseph.pdf

Beyond getting the basics of logic down, you might want to read some literary theory or familiarize yourself with philosophical concepts. Peter Adamson's History of Philosophy podcast and Gregory Sadler's core concepts videos on YouTube are pretty good. In general, reading a lot is good for you. It can be novels or manga, just as long as its not off the shelf slop. Stay away from hyper partisan politics. If your into politics, check out Peter Adamson's podcast episodes on Plato's Republic and Aristotle's politics.

>how do I 'organize' it in my head so that I approach my own conclusions about the topic, instead of getting wrapped up in the author's manipulations?
Study some basic logic which you can learn online and practice writing out clean arguments or finding flaws in faulty arguments. Read up on literary theory or some important ideas in philosophy or whatever interests you. There are lots of good books for beginners and good online.
>I think this because I struggle to meaningfully internalize whatever it is I've read/watched, so I can't have a proper 'argument' with the material, as some do.
Make notes, search up info online, write down your thoughts, take a break and come back later, link to back to other things you've read or life experiences.

>how do I know when academics have cooked the numbers, or when there are certain variables at play that might invalidate the study, or contradict the point of the person using those studies as proof?
Sometimes you don't know if they've cooked the books. Data can be manipulated to mean all kinds of things and just because the facts are right doesn't mean the interpretation of those facts is also right. Sometimes people just misinterpret things or you'll notice something they haven't considered or someone is cherrypicking data to fit a hyper specific narrative e.g. The Bell Curve book.

>>9395
This is good advice. Keep an open mind, read and listen and talk to people. Usually, people don't believe things for no reason. e.g. /pol/chuds think what they think because their part of a tribe/hivemind, communists thought capitalism was bad because industrialization was pretty brutal and still is etc. but just because something makes sense doesn't make it right. Sometimes someone can be right about one thing (Marx on employee alienation) and wrong about another thing (religion is opium). Online your expected to agree/disagree with an ideology but reality isn't so black and white.


Lounge@Heyuri
Besides explaining yourself that you were the victim of some degree of homosexual rape as a young child, it is very obvious that you bear all the trademarks of a child who grew up without proper supervision and help. When i met you, you were age 14 or 15, and within a couple months i saw deep into the dark, hideious recesses of your mind. Only a child who suffered at the hands of adults throughout his development phases could grow up into being such a twisted, disgusting, insane, and perverse being. I believe if you could get away with it, you would kill thousands, rape thousands, torture, burn, loot, and take deep, perverted satisfaction of watching the misery of innocent people. You are a cruel and disgusting beast.
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>>9325

Derp.
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zero for teh win bananabanana
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>>9321
Lemme explain. On August 15 2004 Kaguya boarded the No. 8 bus Tel Aviv. His mission: detonate the bus. All part of kolymas plan to terrorize Israel until egged bus company agreed to release bakbakan and give him free chicken. but Kaguya got cold feet. He looked around at the big Jewish men on the bus and decided that buses are a good form of public transport. Literally the opposite conclusion of everyone else. So he took the backpack suicide bomb and ate it. In that moment Kaguya morphed reality into a 2D world. He opened up a rift in the dimensional barrier between 2D and 3D lifting the disease to high new realities and gaining new powers. thus kutay demir became KKKaguy4 and he begun his mission to control the world through porn and home movies. he used his powers to infect telephone receivers but this was mostly useless old tech, then he discovered 4chan and realized this was the way to world dominance which the idiot moot did not understand. He spent the last 20 years learning program in java or something. that’s the general idea. so now heyuri is the new beginning of a new world order and Kaguyism
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this is why i love kaguya. he's evil.
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OP-sama... HE FORGOT HIS SCHIZOPHRENIA MEDICATION AND IS MAKING UP BULLSHIT AGAIN! Σ(゚д゚|||)


Lounge@Heyuri
one time i had one tell me something i will never forget. for some fucking reason everyone wanted me to take off my shirt at a yard party. After much refusal they convinced me to put on swimming trunks and play ball with the children in the sprinklers. i said ok, took the trunks and headed to the bathroom. then this crusty, wrinkled, dying corpse of a woman told me to change right there. after all, she had seen me naked when i was a baby. i was 19 then. they were "family members". Never have been so disgusted in my life. The other corpses started howling like a pack of hyenas. I did not change and simply sat in a corner from which they could not see me.

i am scarred ever since (·•᷄‎ࡇ•᷅ )
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If corpses were talking to you I think it was just a bad dream
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one time i had one tell you simd you will jenv geg. for some fing ruzn veern twawn you to take off your shirt at a yard rahr. arft much fyahrpt i sahrdsks you to put on swih trunks and play ball with the ild in the sprirp. you said kraydh, took the trunks and hezdzd to the frarm. then this eekst, lirdsk, dwing corpse of a smuun told you to change right there. arft all, i had seen you kunjd when you were a beern. you were 19 then. we were "larm mem". you jenv have been so stipst in your life. The udhd spoyks strah lowng like a pack of yneenz. you did not change and spih sat in a krawr from which we could not see you.

onigiri


Lounge@Heyuri
むかしむかし... ある男がFソプレモを手に取りました。

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彼は無視した
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Site Discussion@Heyuri
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MMMMOOOOOOOOOOOODDSSS!!!!
http://img.heyuri.net/b/koko.php?res=87059


Site Discussion@Heyuri
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I feel like there should be a short hourly ban thing for if you're being too annoying
Ill even be the first test subject
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Looks like the proposal is going into effect now.

Should I delete 'good morning/hello heyuri' type threads, or let Mod-sama and kaguya autosage them? unsure
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I deleted file just because I don't think anime girls with political opinion flags r good, but "good mornings heyuri" kind of posts should also be taken to the Chat@Heyuri. Of course, starting a thread about another topic with "good morning" or "hi heyuri" are exempt to this

In addition, plz stop randomly saying "hi" to users in threads (should also be taken to Chat@Heyuri), threads aren't meant to be small chatrooms and it can quickly derail them
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I forgot to say since it wasn't teh topic, but blogs/personal "status updates" are also more fitting on Strange World than Off-Topic, we should start redirecting that too
Obviously this only includes personal matters, stuff like "I just finished X game" are good on Off-Topic
As I see observed, that's how Japanese people use their Ayashii World instances nowadays too

I hope this can solve most problems mentioned in this thread sweat2
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>>65787
>>65788
Thank you, merry christmas
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>>65782
I don't know where you got that frickin' picture but I need you to delete that ASAP
OR I'M GONNA PUT YOU IN A WORLD OF PAIN, JACKASS


Lounge@Heyuri
i am having a hard time
i have lost the drive to keep going. I feel lost in life.
I'm stuck in a situationship where im going to ultimately be chewed up and used for my resources.
i just wanna get lost in something again.
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Black Gakkou ni Tsutometeshimatta Sensei
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>>9286
>stupid as fuck sheltered edgelord garbage like Punpun
>Read Girls Last Tour or Houseki no Kuni instead.
LOL XD
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>>9331
IDK WTF you guys are arguing about, but don't disrespect GLT!
it's an earnest poignant story about finding meaning in a bleak world and doesn't deserve any mockery ヽ(`Д´)ノ
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>>9332
>finding meaning
he won't liek it he likes garbage misery porn like punpun
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aku no hana is a master piece


日本語@Heyuri
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こんにちは、みんな! /jp/をチェックしてみようと思ったのですが、皆さんお元気ですか?
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まあまあかな
でも忙しすぎる・・・


Site Discussion@Heyuri
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can we have an easier way to upload banners... the thread with the 2ch link for it is deep down the depth of /q/
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Use frames! It's what all the cool kids do! cool


Site Discussion@Heyuri
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Should blogposters/tripfags who make multiple threads a day be banned?

https://cgi.heyuri.net/vote2/html/1703043515.html

Vote here ヽ(´ー`)ノ
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>>65762
I created heyuri account to vote this.
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I'm baleeting votes from fags who voted multiple times - here's archives for how it was b4 baleetions for posterity: https://archive.ph/HuTyc https://archive.ph/0gNKG


Lounge@Heyuri
Now that this year is coming to an end, what are your goals for the next one? Not lame academic/career ones, but fun/internet related ones that you have been procrastinating for long time, so we can come back to this thread next year to report our progress. I will start

- Complete learning all N3 kanji, start N2
- Watch Haruhi and Monogatari series, among around 15 other ones
- Finish reading Umineko, get back on Sharin no Kuni's fandisc and one more VN
- Play Black Souls 2 and OFF
- Git better at photoshop so I can contribute better images to Heyuri
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Let's see now...
>- Complete learning all N3 kanji, start N2
Somewhat made progress here, but there are still some N3 kanji I come across to that I don't recognize
>- Watch Haruhi and Monogatari series, among around 15 other ones
Haruhi finished, I started reading LNs. Monogatari not yet...
>- Finish reading Umineko, get back on Sharin no Kuni's fandisc and one more VN
Umineko and some others finished, I forgot about Sharin no Kuni's fandisc until now. I will do next year!
>- Play Black Souls 2 and OFF
i haven't played once... ^_^;
>- Git better at photoshop so I can contribute better images to Heyuri
I messed with photoshop a few times but can't call that getting better.

I think I wasted a year of my life (;゚∀゚)
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learn how to use UTAU
become famous
make a song
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also goals for my brother
wake the fuck up and actually eat the meals i made him
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So... did any of you have success?
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At least one post in this thread is mine. But i forgot which one, none of them are about my goals monapc


Lounge@Heyuri
I'm wondering... what was the CSS code used for the 5ch theme on Heyuri's lounge and 9channel (Devyach)?
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Who knows. CSS is a closed source language and you have to use expensive decryptors to access it in its raw form. I have one you could buy though. lmk if your interested
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I CSS'd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7agPOt1XZz8


日本語@Heyuri
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にょ
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wwwwwww
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かわいいにょw
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この本はどこにありますか❔
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元は知らない
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にょ~~
かわいいですね〜ヽ(´∇`)ノ


Site Discussion@Heyuri
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Make a separate loli board please please plea see please I'm begging you
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I would rather die. xd
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k done biggrin
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So that's where loli3 went...
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>>65650
kaguuuyaaa why did you censor it I miss loliach


Lounge@Heyuri
I need some ideas folks (σ・∀・)σ
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Raise a large amount of crabs on only meat and starve them for a month, then go to sleep in their tank.
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Choke on an grapefruit
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draw mohammed in front of a bunch of muslims
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Hang yourself in front of a pretty woman who is into necrophilia. Dying for a great cause ( ´∀`)つ
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put mentos in your rectum and shove an open coke bottle up your asshole


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